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PostPosted: 18:27 - 22 Jul 2013    Post subject: Do I work on our relationship, or move on... ? Reply with quote

...to a smaller bike...?

It's only a 125, but its a baby varadero, and I'm having (yet another) crisis of confidence on it. Sad I hadn't ridden it for quite a while owing to working silly hours and stuff.

Someone has suggested I look at getting a physically smaller bike to get my confidence back with. I feel conflicted.

Thoughts pleeese. Thanks. x
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PostPosted: 18:34 - 22 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel tempted to say that you are used to the bike you have now and this will help but it is a chunky 125 and could well be the cause of your lack of confidence.

If you are not too interested in the looks than a CG125 is a great learner bike, fairly light, cheap, reliable, easily manageable. there is a reason many many riding schools use them.

They are also basic to work on and will last forever with just the minimum of care.

You could also look at the Honda CBF125 or Yamaha YBR 125 which are more modern looking but I feel not perfectly suited to a real learner as they are plastic covered and a drop could be expensive.
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PostPosted: 18:35 - 22 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having a smaller bike doesn't always automatically mean it feels 'easier' and more confidence inspiring to ride.

Often a bigger bike is actually easier to manouvere on and once moving the extra weight can aid you 'throw it around' a bit into the corners etc.

I'd give it a bit more time any bike takes a while to get used to especially if you haven't been on it much/for a while.
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PostPosted: 18:35 - 22 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stick with the Vara.

Go out for a short loop then build on it day after day. If you buy a smaller sized bike you will need to adjust your insurance, make sure it is mechanically sound, make sure it is taxed and MOT'd etc etc. You have a perfectly good bike already, why not make use of it?
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PostPosted: 18:44 - 22 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Were you ever happy riding your current bike? If you were then you will again, if you take the time to do it that is.

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PostPosted: 18:46 - 22 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatever size of bike, there will always be a compromise. The only advantage IMO of a physically smaller bike is that it's more comfortable to manually handle.

Once things get moving, small bikes get uncomfortable fast. To be fair that is part of the fun for most people (me included) but you will be extra vulnerable to wind, bumps and other vagaries that a big bike will happily absorb.

My small bike (GP100) had minimal friction zone and was a pain in the rear to slow ride. Of course I could pick it up a lot easier than a big bike if I dropped it but I aim to stay upright as much as possible.

Contrast with something like a CB500 with greater clutch slipping capacity, lets it manage it's weight much better at low speed.

The way I see it, the bike will be fine as long as it has enough power for its weight/size. Imagine a CB500 with a 125 engine, that would be horrendous. As long as your 125 Varadero isn't feeling too wallowy, stick with it a bit longer and get used to it.
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PostPosted: 18:57 - 22 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 18:57 - 22 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

A YBR125 would probably suit you better. They are light as a feather, low (ish) and easy to maneuver.

Altbough I tend to think heavier bikes are easier to ride....even just going from 125 to 250 I could immediately notice how much easier the bile was to ride both slow and at speed

Going smaller 'may' not be the answer.
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 22 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you have any problems with the Varadero in terms of size and weight? Is it too high / do you struggle to move it around / any specific reason you don't feel confident with it?

You can always go visit a dealer and just have a sit on a CG125 / YBR125 / anything else you can think of.

When I was learning I hated the school's CG125's because I'm 6'2" and long in the legs: I was so cramped up it was hard to change gears, and I had to move my knees out of the way of the bars when doing u-turns. When I went looking to get a 125 of my own I could tell immediately that an XR125L was going to be much easier to get on with... and it was. And that boosted my confidence. Passed my test on it with no problems.

So at least go have a look at some other 125's to see if you feel like you'd be happier with any of them.
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 22 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

CG for the win.

Won't bother whoring my video yet again, I've posted it plenty for it to be found Smile
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 22 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I struggled to ride a CG after being on my vara for a while.

took me a while to get used to it again this spring after all the bad weather.
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 22 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would stick with it. You managed to ride it before and it won't be long before your confidence returns again.
Don't you have plenty of time off now? (school holidays?).

Go back to basics. Start slow again, small local rides, even just around the block and back or to your nearest roundabout and home again. You'll soon get into the swing of things again.

If you feel you need to, practice stopping and starting.
Take thee to a carpark and try u-turns, slow riding etc.

You've recently moved so get out exploring Smile

I still get butterflies if I haven't ridden for a couple of months (5 years since I passed my test!), I'm quite quickly 'YeeHar, WooHoo-ing ' though Very Happy
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PostPosted: 20:23 - 22 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 20:31 - 22 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

deadwolf wrote:
Contrast with something like a CB500 with greater clutch slipping capacity, lets it manage it's weight much better at low speed.


Really? From my experience, a smaller bike is much more stable at low speeds whereas a bigger and heavier bike is more stable at higher speeds.

Back on topic: From what I've heard, the varadero is pretty much the best 4 stroke 125 out there. I genuinely haven't heard a bad word said about them so I would stick with that.
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 22 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

monteme0 wrote:
deadwolf wrote:
Contrast with something like a CB500 with greater clutch slipping capacity, lets it manage it's weight much better at low speed.


Really? From my experience, a smaller bike is much more stable at low speeds whereas a bigger and heavier bike is more stable at higher speeds.

Back on topic: From what I've heard, the varadero is pretty much the best 4 stroke 125 out there. I genuinely haven't heard a bad word said about them so I would stick with that.


Hmm, you have a point. I did ride a CB500 for much longer than the GP100, so the former felt easier to ride. I guess it boils down once again to practice, practice, practice Wink

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Just get over the worries. The hardest part is not the riding, but actually forcing yourself to ride. When I got my first bike I was ridiculously insecure and so worried about making mistakes that I waited three days before actually riding it.

Ride the bike and it'll all come back to you, honest Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 22 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only way to build confidence is to get out there and ride. Start with small distances and build up - you'll be amazed how quickly it comes back to you. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 22 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

deadwolf wrote:
Ride the bike and it'll all come back to you, honest Laughing


He's right. You need to build your confidence...obviously.

My advice would be to go somewhere quiet and just practice launching the bike and braking. Build up slowly until you have confidence in controlling the bike. Then move on to the busier roads.

I'd only change the bike if you are really struggling to get your feet on the floor.

Also, why not get a bit more training and take your test?

Hhhhmm I sound patronising.

Try and enjoy it the rest will hopefully follow Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:24 - 22 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

What exactly is the problem with the Very Varadero?

Is it getting a foot / feet down at a stop? Does it feel top heavy? Big stretch to the bars? Any problems changing gear?
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PostPosted: 21:26 - 22 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

how about man up...
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PostPosted: 21:31 - 22 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
What exactly is the problem with the Very Varadero?

Is it getting a foot / feet down at a stop? Does it feel top heavy? Big stretch to the bars? Any problems changing gear?


It does feel a bit top heavy, but I can reach the floor, not quite flat but nearly. but it's biggest problem is me. I haven't really got over my fear of dropping it, which makes me think about dropping it. It's just fear from lack of use, I think. That and the fact that I haven't really got anyone to come out with me, which I think would give me a lot more confidence, in spite of the fact that all they could do was watch me cock it up I suppose.

Am still recovering from house move at moment. Can't afford lessons just now. Sad
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 22 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCW wrote:

It does feel a bit top heavy, but I can reach the floor, not quite flat but nearly. but it's biggest problem is me. I haven't really got over my fear of dropping it, which makes me think about dropping it. It's just fear from lack of use, I think. That and the fact that I haven't really got anyone to come out with me, which I think would give me a lot more confidence, in spite of the fact that all they could do was watch me cock it up I suppose.

Am still recovering from house move at moment. Can't afford lessons just now. Sad


The YBR is quite a lot lower and easier to push around. Even my missus who's basically a twig in a dress can whack it up on its stand without too much bother and walk it around in circles with a reasonable degree of finess. She's also able to totally flat foot when coming to a stop.

If they're things that make you feel a bit more confident then I'd not really hesitate swapping in the varadero for something more 'you' at the moment as the Vara will probably cream an extra £500 over what a decent YBR will set you back anyway.

Chin up, you'll be 'reet
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PostPosted: 21:57 - 22 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

am I the only one spotting the irony of so many people saying "Man Up" to a Woman? Thinking
seriously though, try and get out and ride if you can, just little bimbles until you feel confident again, and remember we all have bad days where we stall or just don't feel it. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 22 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to be honest, I wouldn't want to ride a Varadero. Great bike, but it's too tall for me. I know that some folk are comfortable leaning off a bike, I'm not.

Biking is recreational. If you're not loving it, I'd agree with trying something else, even if only to give yourself a basis for comparison. YBR or CBF by default, but how about a Suzuki Van Van, which is another of those 125s that people choose to ride even when licensed up.

Are there no 125 friendly bike clubs near to you? Ride around with a back patch saying "1%ers R PUFFS", you'll soon meet some new people... Wink
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 22 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Ride around with a back patch saying "1%ers R PUFFS", you'll soon meet some new people... Wink


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