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G30
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 25 Jul 2013    Post subject: Should I get my A1 license? Reply with quote

I'm 19. I have a 125 I am learning on. Should I get my A1 license which is £117 for all the tests then continue training and then do my A2 tests (with some training thrown in) or should I just do DAS A2 when I think I am ready for it?
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PostPosted: 18:22 - 25 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

from my understanding you do the same tests for an A2 licence as you do for an A1... seems pointless not doing it tbh
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PostPosted: 18:30 - 25 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, but the A1 is on a bike I am familiar with whereas the A2 is on a bigger bike. Doing the A1 may help in knowing what is to come for my A2 and prove I can do it (providing I pass) so the only change would be making sure I get used to the bigger bike in the limited time you get. Was just a thought but for £117 you could probably get more DAS training on the bigger bike.
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 25 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say do at least the MOD1, it's only £15. The4n after a couple of months do the A2.
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 25 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just do A2. Why pay to do it twice?

I'm assuming you'd be doing A1 because it costs too much to do A2 with a school; thats false economy. If you plan to move up to a bigger bike, just wait until you have the cash Cool
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PostPosted: 19:28 - 25 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would just hold off and do the A2 licence, stick to riding around on the 125 for another 2 years, build up some valuable experience and NCB and then the A2
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PostPosted: 20:29 - 25 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree with smiler - the extra years NCB in my first years riding from stepping between 125-big bike made a huge difference on insurance - probably wouldn't of even been affordable without the additional NCB.
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PostPosted: 23:49 - 25 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you think doing my A2 late this year/early next year would be alright? Circa 6 months learning on a 125.
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PostPosted: 23:58 - 25 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd get on with it now, riding is riding - it all helps and is experience, but in terms of experience for A2 its a different bike, different situation to how you normally ride and throw in a bit of stress and pressure and no amount of preperation on a 125 is all that worthwhile.

Quicker you get it done, quicker you can relax and look forward to and move onto the future Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 00:08 - 26 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Need £630-£750 first, that's with first time pass(es), as well.

I wanna do my A2 tests ASAP but I thought learning on a 125 would help me, even though it's a different bike.
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PostPosted: 00:15 - 26 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will definately help, and if you need to save up for the tests then by all means i'd definately keep riding however many months that takes on the 125, i just wouldn't consider it 'lessons' as its small crappy things that normally catch you out when it comes to the tests and often over-confidence [not nescessarily cocky] can be the biggest spanner in the works Confused
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PostPosted: 00:54 - 26 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes.

It's not £117... if you plan to take tests anyway, its only £90. Mod 1 & Mod 2 fees, self booked. You need Theory & CBT anyway.

Failing A1 tests at £15 & £75 a pop is a lot easier to bear than failing AS tests booked through a school at £150 a go....

So, its cheap practice, and confidence you are at test standard when you go to do A2.

Meanwhile and probably the more important; it bags a full licence.

That starts clock on the 2-year New-Driver-Probation, while you are still on something less likely to put it at risk.

And gives you a sling-shot into A2... as mentioned, you are ahead of the game, than gong on cold straight to A2 train & test. You know you are up to scratch, you just have to get familiar with and do two mods on bigger bike. Ought to pay for itself in needing less training & higher confidence of first time A2 pass.

Pressure is 'off', you don't have to find the money in a hurry, or worry about cert validities. You don't have to repeat CBT or Theory, they wont expire, they are bagged

So you dont have to do a course fretting you HAVE to 'pass' by 33rd Octember, or repeat stuff, or pay double.

Lessons? You don't have to do a crash course unless you want to. Means you can spread training, using the pressure off, 'Pay as you go', which can make it easier to bear / find, rather than having to scrape it all up in one go.

ALSO more training can be 'saved' doing sessions rather than courses, as you don't have to pay some wally to watch you wobble, on a bike you are paying them for the privilege of wobbling on.... you can do your learning in the lessons, go home practice on the tiddler.

A1 is FAR from a 'Waste of Time' as so many people are quick to suggest. Its AN option; just like DAS, which, can be used to your advantage.

And its biggest advantage is that going through the A1 route, you can keep costs down and spread them out.

It's not dead money, its not wasted money, it's not paying double.

It's £90.... probably three months interest on the price of a DAS course on the Credit-Card....
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PostPosted: 06:51 - 26 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

G30 wrote:
Yeah, but the A1 is on a bike I am familiar with whereas the A2 is on a bigger bike.


You may be surprised but a bigger bike is easier to ride. I'd go straight for the A2.
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PostPosted: 07:55 - 26 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

MC wrote:
but doing the practical tests on a 125 are a waste of time imo.


I'm curious, what helped you when you took your test?
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PostPosted: 10:06 - 26 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

G30 wrote:
Need £630-£750 first, that's with first time pass(es), as well.

I wanna do my A2 tests ASAP but I thought learning on a 125 would help me, even though it's a different bike.


Thats a lot of money for a A2 test.

Where abouts do you live and where are you looking?
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PostPosted: 11:43 - 26 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

MC wrote:
What tests? I haven't done my bike test, as I don't think it's worth it just to loose your L-Plates & ride on motorways (when most 125's struggle to get up to motorway speeds).


Mmm, so you're giving advice on tests, and expressing a strong opinion of what might help someone with their tests, without having actually done one?

And the point of doing the tests on a 125 wasn't necessarily to lose Ls or ride on a motorway, which as you point out isn't a particularly pleasant experience. It is to give someone the experience of doing the tests, so when they come to take them on a bigger bike they know what to expect. It also tells the examiner that you know how to ride a bike, and you're not just someone with possibly 2 or 3 days experience.
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 26 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enaver wrote:
G30 wrote:
Need £630-£750 first, that's with first time pass(es), as well.

I wanna do my A2 tests ASAP but I thought learning on a 125 would help me, even though it's a different bike.


Thats a lot of money for a A2 test.

Where abouts do you live and where are you looking?


It's training as well, well getting used to the bike.
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PostPosted: 12:15 - 26 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

G30 wrote:
It's training as well, well getting used to the bike.


If you took your time, spent £90 of taking the tests on your 125, then you'd only need a couple of days training (1 day getting the feel, and 1 day doing the tests) at the most to get used to the bigger bike. And that's probably going to cost not much more than £200.
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PostPosted: 12:41 - 26 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:

That starts clock on the 2-year New-Driver-Probation


I'd not thought of that actually, but good point. Karma My little brother is contemplating this same choice at the minute, and I think I'll add this to the 'pros' pile Smile
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 26 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

G30 wrote:




It's training as well, well getting used to the bike.


Aye I understand but I did mine with 2 and half days training plus the tests for £500, that included the insurance as well incase I damaged the bikes.
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PostPosted: 14:55 - 26 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

MC wrote:
Oh right so I'm not qualified to express an opinion about the licensing system without having a license? Seeing as us L-Plate wankers are the people who are actually affected by it, I think we're entitled Wink


Not what I said. Of course you can. and should, voice an opinion about the testing system. And I think you're right Shocked a lot of it is bullshittingly complex.

MC wrote:
doing the practical tests on a 125 are a waste of time imo.


This is the bit I don't think you're qualified to advise on. But hey ho don't mind me, I'm just in a bad mood today because I can't track down an electrical problem on my bike Evil or Very Mad

Let's look at the pros and cons of doing it the way suggested:
Pros:
    You experience the test environment
    You experience what the actual tests are like
    You gain confidence that you can actually pass the tests, technically
    The examiner is put in a frame of mind that you are a competent rider
    It gives you a heads up on which bits of your riding you need to practice, if you fail.
    Feedback from the examiner is priceless
    You can practice to your hearts content before, and in-between tests
    When you come to take your test on a bigger bike, all you need to learn is how the bike handles. This should only take a day at most, normally a couple of hours.


Cons:
    It costs £90...


Mmm, which one outweighs the other Question

Let's take an example. Say you take the MOD1 on your 125 and fail it 3 twice passing on the third attempt. Cost £45.
Then you take the MOD2 and pass on the second attempt. Cost £145.
Let's presume that you've had plenty of road experience before you approach a school for an A2 or A license.
So a lesson on the bike, and then MOD1. Cost £75
Another lesson and the MOD2. Cost £135
Total cost £400
And that's if you fail, if you passed both tests first time, and there's no real reason not to do so as you can practice as much as you want, then you can knock off £105 making a total cost of £295.

Now, for £400 you can find a school that will do a 3 day DAS, but it'll be plus the test costs, so that would cost you £490. And, how confident are you that you'll pass the tests first time with only 2 days training?
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