What Sport Diesel for £8k + a C3

[1cyl]

Being a bike man, I know sweet FA about cars......other than we need a new company one.

That ideally meets this Criteria:

Reliable
2008+
under 50,000 miles
5 Door
Fast sport Diesel
Not too huge physically as parking is already tight.

Not to fussed about MPG or TAX Class.

Test drove this today https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HONDA-CIVIC-CIVIC-EX-I-CTDI-SAT-NAV-MILANO-RED-/181160441840?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item2a2e00f7f0
They want £8100 with the 2004 Citroen C3 1.4hdi. Which they valued at £1100 (we buy any car say £1250 online quote).
Is this a fair deal?, mileage is more than we'd like but it was nice to drive and fairly pokey,+ If Honda make good bikes, cars must good too

Had thought about a German build, as my dads always biggin' up his Merc. So considered a BMW 1 series but heard something about steering problems

Any other suggestions/recommendations really appreciated.
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[JP7]

What about something like this?

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201307187881582

I had one of these, basically an Audi A4 with a load more kit, for a load less money. I absolutely loved it. They do an estate version as well if you don't want a saloon.

[lihp]

Civic Diesels have under-rated clutches, and commonly shit themselves at relatively low mileages. The cost of a clutch for one of these is ridiculous at around the 1k mark, and for them to regularly die before 40k. It was a no go for me.

So I bought the petrol model, which is still economical at 50mpg
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[arry]

123d M Sport is where I'd go:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2009-59-BMW-1-SERIES-123D-M-SPORT-SERVICE-HISTORY-NEW-MOT-/400534456936

I love my BM diesel. It's the only diesel I've ever enjoyed driving.

[t121anf]

I like my Seat Leon Supercopa, so I'll recommend a Leon FR TFi CR170 (not a PD170)

[_mjs_]

I wouldn't get a Civic mainly because they look hideous... everytime I see one from behind I think of a Givi top box:

https://i1323.photobucket.com/albums/u587/mjs1066/honda_civic_ctdi_back1_zps4b38bac2.jpg

https://i1323.photobucket.com/albums/u587/mjs1066/givi-top-box-e55-maxxia-3-195-p_zps86f45c5f.jpg
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[Ste]

[arry]

It ain't 1983 any more Ste

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XCGpkoBNgdI

[Ste]

Petrol is still faster. Is it a tractor, is it a van, lol no its a BMW that doesn't sound anything like what a BMW should sound like.

[Nb]

[Vracktal]

Assuming 'not too large' = 'anything < SUV sized';

If you don't mind uninformed people chortling at the badge, you could get a decent spec Skoda Octavia diesel for that scratch.

A Toyota Avensis also comes in under budget.

Or you could own a Mitsubishi Lancer.

Or a very clean VW Golf.

Assuming you get £1250 for the C3, you could also get

This Mercedes E-Class although MB quality control was a but skittish so some have some electrical issues later in life.

A slightly newer Toyota Avensis.

Or you could buy a junker 1970 Chevrolet Monte Carlo, import it over here and drop a 5.9l Cummins turbodiesel into it. This conforms to precisely none of your critera but it's a hilarious spectacle to watch.
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[Polarbear]

NOX & SOX are fucking diesels in the marine industry. They are going to do the same to cars.
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[stevo as b4]

Ad blue is here from April for Derv passenger car's and that's on top of all the current issues with EGR, DPF and clutch and DMF failure.

Best diesels IMO are the early mechanically pumped stuff and fun TD's like the 306D-turbo or electronically controlled early Common rail or rotary pumped vehicles, with no need for the catalyst to have to remain on the car, blanked off EGR valves and no DPF or dual mass flywheels. These are the most fun and easiest to tune diesels, and Common rail is not an advantage really when it comes to tuning for more power.

For the OP I guess he's after a 5dr focus/astra/golf sized car with a 150bhp+ engine version. I think as long he he doesn't go French there's plenty of decent enough cars to choose from. Don't get a Mazda and keep an eye on other Jap brands for expensive parts prices and servicing. The Civic 2.2CTdi should be cheap for what they are, as they are unfashionable due to the weird looks, and limited space, and the Honda 2.2D motor is not great against smaller 1.6TD stuff for emissions or economy. Could be a bargain to be had?

Only thing that would tempt me really is a late MY Alfa 159 2.4JTD. The ones with the cloverleaf spec, big red Brembo front stoppers and the Q2 LSD.

[L4Isoside]

Seat Leon mk 2 all the way.

VW/ Audi with out the premium name or cost. Usually well kitted out, same reliable engine etc, the 170 brake is going to be quite fast with good handling to boot.

Currently on my second Leon. First was diesel, current is petrol.

[J4mes]

Octavia VRS?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Skoda-Octavia-2008-Diesel-2-0-TDI-CR-170-vRS-5dr-DSG-Hatchback-/321132341019?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item4ac4faa71b

[1cyl]

Thanks to all for your wisdom.
I've read it all and we decided to basically disregard most of it apart from a bit of Vrak and Stevo B4 posts, (steer clear of french and go Jap) In that we...

Put a deposit down today on a 57plate Toyota Auris 180T 2.2 diesel, with 45,000 on clock. advertised locally at toyota dealership for £6495

We offered £4850 + C3.

They accepted.

Bland interior, but 175hp sounds usable , and not totally cleaned out

well?

https://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/article/709/709898/last-crusade-grail_1148452486-000.jpg
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[stevo as b4]

Not a car that sits well with turbo nutters then?

I'd say the OP has got a fair deal there, the Auris 2.2D doesn't seem to hold high residual prices like the Civic etc. Too big an engine for attractive tax bands etc.

Bland could be good though, as when a re-mapped Auris diesel fly's past some in your face hot hatch like a Type R Civic or Clio 200RS that would have to be a moment worth seeing on their driver's faces.

I've never been particulary convinced that anything BMW is superior to a decent fwd saloon of the same spec etc. They and Merc's drive the right wheels granted, but what else do they do so well that makes them better than alternative executive choices? Plus as other's have said BMW's are very diluted down in that the whole range is far from the ultimate driving machine, just a few models with a much higher spec being worthy of that status.

[1cyl]

[swampy]

[syl]

Why a second hand company car? The tax is based on the list price, even if you buy it for £500 - so may as well get a new car. To keep up front costs down and be most tax efficient, get a new lease hire.
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