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Handymanphill...
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PostPosted: 19:00 - 13 Aug 2013    Post subject: Bike Security Advice Reply with quote

I know you can't put a price on keeping your pride and joy secure, and stopping it getting into the hands of thieving scum out there, but I'm thinking of fitting an alarm/immobiliser to by bike. It doesn't need to have all that remote start crap just a decent shock alarm and immobiliser. I was just wondering if anyone has fitted anything systems recent and can recommend it. Iv looked on line and alot of systems seem to be around the £20-40 mark. This doesn't sound a lot of money to secure your bike (hence the original comment at beginning). Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Oh and I have a 97 Bandit 600s.

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PostPosted: 19:04 - 13 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally i'd go for

Cyclone V2 alarm 20-40 quid [plenty better alarms but more money, and argueably little extra benefit i'd say, its mainly as a deterant if fiddled with]

Almax chain over 100 quid but worth it, most others are as useful as a piece of thread around the wheel.

Alarmed disc lock - 40 quid [avoid the cheap cheap ones as they get set off 24/7 by the wind and anything else that moves within a mile radius]

And chain it TO something - a chain around the wheel is no good if it can be dragged into a van by two blokes in a matter of seconds Thumbs Down

There is a range of GPS tracking stuff available too, but perhaps a bit over the top for a bike that isn't top of the range, i don't bother with it on my bikes personally.
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Boxing
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 13 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Matt- wrote:
Personally i'd go for

Cyclone V2 alarm 20-40 quid [plenty better alarms but more money, and argueably little extra benefit i'd say, its mainly as a deterant if fiddled with]

Almax chain over 100 quid but worth it, most others are as useful as a piece of thread around the wheel.

Alarmed disc lock - 40 quid [avoid the cheap cheap ones as they get set off 24/7 by the wind and anything else that moves within a mile radius]

And chain it TO something - a chain around the wheel is no good if it can be dragged into a van by two blokes in a matter of seconds Thumbs Down

There is a range of GPS tracking stuff available too, but perhaps a bit over the top for a bike that isn't top of the range, i don't bother with it on my bikes personally.


Any chain could be cut with a grinder / bolt cutters though. So can the £100 be justified? Although I use one, I doubt it'd do much against bolt cutters. Sad

Saw someone with a battery operated grinder and a pair of pliers cutting off a DVLA wheel clamp... Cut through it in two seconds, he used his body to cover up what he was doing, but the sparks were obvious. Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 13 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it is in most cases personally, they obviously CAN be got through, but it takes some serious tools/one hell of a lot of effort without heavy duty tools to get through one - that in itself will deter/make a lot of thieves unable to get it. So i would of thought unless its a top of the range brand new bike in question, a lot of thieves wouldn't be bothered whipping the angle grinders out to try get through it.

Plus depending where it is parked thats an awful lot of noise and attention to risk drawing, probably further deter many would-be-thieves.

I wouldn't even bother with cheap shit like oxford chains though personally, maybe to stop teenagers wheeling it off, but otherwise useless really.
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SteveZZR
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 13 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boxing wrote:


Saw someone with a battery operated grinder and a pair of pliers cutting off a DVLA wheel clamp...



https://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39855000/jpg/_39855143_agmbody.jpg

Is he back! Shocked


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Boxing
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 13 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Matt- wrote:
I think it is in most cases personally, they obviously CAN be got through, but it takes some serious tools/one hell of a lot of effort without heavy duty tools to get through one - that in itself will deter/make a lot of thieves unable to get it. So i would of thought unless its a top of the range brand new bike in question, a lot of thieves wouldn't be bothered whipping the angle grinders out to try get through it.

Plus depending where it is parked thats an awful lot of noise and attention to risk drawing, probably further deter many would-be-thieves.

I wouldn't even bother with cheap shit like oxford chains though personally, maybe to stop teenagers wheeling it off, but otherwise useless really.


I live in a rough area in Leicester, and have a trials bike to make my bike even more sought after. And around here, bolt cutters are the thieves favourite tools. Rolling Eyes Crying or Very sad
Never park my bike around here though, always go in the more "posh" places in Leicester. Laughing

Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZIPQ03fnxI

Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoNVranvpeY

Bolt cutters are thieves primary tools these days. Sad
And you can get a cheap pair for under £30.

The noise will put people off, but most of the public don't really care about alarms they just get ignored.
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PostPosted: 21:35 - 13 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bolt cutters won't even dent an almax. I suspect even a grinder would take a dangerously long time.
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PostPosted: 23:44 - 13 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have my bike in my shed chained to a anchor in garage floor, disc lock (audible one) and another chain on the back wheel also connected to chassy. Hopefully this will deter thieves. My worst nightmare will be to wake up and bike is gone Sad
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PostPosted: 23:57 - 13 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

SteveZZR wrote:
Boxing wrote:


Saw someone with a battery operated grinder and a pair of pliers cutting off a DVLA wheel clamp...



https://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39855000/jpg/_39855143_agmbody.jpg

Is he back! Shocked

thats not battery operated...... Its not a Honda one either,......
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PostPosted: 00:18 - 14 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.talktalk.co.uk/money/features/insurance_motorbike.html

Looking at the stats, you are more likely to have your bike stolen if you ride a Jap bike and live in a large city, it's most likely to be stolen from home too. If an organised bike theft gang 'half-inch' your bike it'll be gone in seconds so no alarm is going to make a difference.

Best option is to chain it to something immovable with the biggest chain you can find. If you want to see the van driving off down the road, fit something like this..... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motorbike-Motorcycle-2-way-Pager-Alarm-Immobiliser-Remote-Start-shock-sensor-/400269855319?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item5d31f14a57
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PostPosted: 09:54 - 14 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The general rule is that ANY car or bike can be stolen with a skilled/determined enough thief. But the question ou ask youself is would a thief of that skill level steal YOUR car or bike? Istead of a much fancier one?

You're not trying to stop all thieves just oppitunists. Access your bikes worth then protect it up to the level of criminal that would steal it.

This is why a laugh when I see £300 cluncked out cars with steering wheel locks.
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PostPosted: 10:07 - 14 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I deter thieves with my steering lock
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 14 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ludford wrote:
This is why a laugh when I see £300 cluncked out cars with steering wheel locks.


Still don't get it.

It may be £300 or so, but its transport... someone is more likely to steal a shitter, rag it and burn it out.
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PostPosted: 10:18 - 14 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
Ludford wrote:
This is why a laugh when I see £300 cluncked out cars with steering wheel locks.


Still don't get it.

It may be £300 or so, but its transport... someone is more likely to steal a shitter, rag it and burn it out.


That ^ and I can steal a £300 fiesta with a coke can, whereas to get your Impreza I need to be more imaginative.
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PostPosted: 10:49 - 14 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just remembered, I used to live next door to a bloke who was a moto-x rider in his youth (probably 50 now) and then later part owned a bike spares company in Liverpool. He used to tell me that he'd take note of the bikes he spotted on his travels and their location. If ever a request came in for parts for a specific bike, he'd look down his list and tell the prospective customer that as luck would have it a crashed bike (same make/model of course) had just come into stock and they would be stripping it in a couple of days. He'd let the local thieves know what parts were required and hey presto! happy customer Smile He was a right scammer.
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 14 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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He was a thieving piece of human-waste.


FTFY

Also I personally don't laugh if i see something that looks cheap with a ton of security spent out on it, not just because as some people mentioned these are often the sort of thing they want to nick and rag around, but for some people the base value of the vehicle isn't what they're concerned about, its losing it, which loses them the ability to get to work, which can cost 1000's a month in loss from the minute its nicked.

Plus good protection can be passed onto other vehicles in the future [presumng it remains un-nicked of course Laughing ] so its a long term investment in most cases, so why not invest in the better stuff Confused
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