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Christoffee
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 20 Aug 2013    Post subject: Another new boy! Reply with quote

Hello all.

I have been reading this forum for a couple of months and, provided people keep their grammar in check and don't mention Chinese bikes, everyone seems pretty friendly.

I am 33 and have just done my CBT, and have just bought myself a CBF125. As you can imagine I have a pile of questions, but I won't bore everyone with them all.

I'll start with a simple one: how good are Haynes manuals? Do they cover all the simple stuff, like topping up the oil, lubing the chain, and the other little bits of maintenance I need to keep an eye on?

I have never done any car maintenance myself - I drive them, and take them to the garage. But it seems I need to pay a bit more attention to my bike so I need to learn.

Other than a Haynes manual, any maintenance references or tips?

Cheers everyone,
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PostPosted: 20:44 - 20 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't treat them as gospel - they are prone to omissions and misinformation. They serve as an OK indicator as to what it is you should do, but don't expect them to resemble reality at all times.

Main maintenance tip for these small bikes is make sure the battery is charged (since they're fuel injected, you'll get weird kangaroo-ing out of it if the battery;s getting flat), and keep on top of oil changes and chain lubrication. That, along with tyre pressures covers the bulk of it.

Good call on spending a bit of time observing the forum first - you've avoided the first noob pitfall.
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 20 Aug 2013    Post subject: Re: Another new boy! Reply with quote

Christoffee wrote:
provided people keep their grammar in check and don't mention Chinese bikes, everyone seems pretty friendly.


And Ped's and choppers...and the Royal Family...and Politics....and Marmite......and homosexuality.... and Jive Bunny.

Smile

Can't say I'm good at maintenance, but like to have a go. Haynes has to be in the toolbox. Use it alongside forum posts and clips on Youtube. Should see you right.

Everything on bikes seems to work harder, and due to weight and cost requirements, can't be massively over engineered. Plus much of it is exposed to the elements. So stuff does need checking more frequently. Doing your own servicing and cleaning the bike means you can probably spot stuff that might potentially need looking at / replacing etc
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PostPosted: 21:36 - 20 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi mate welcome.

As mentioned they cant be relied on 100% but pretty much all tasks are covered especially the basic stuff. I tend to try get hold of the official service manuals ideally though, can download .PDFs for most common bikes if you scout about online or ask on a few forums.

I wasnt workig on bikes or cars until earlier this year. Now service and do 90% of tasks on both. Wish id started years ago Thumbs Down
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Christoffee
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PostPosted: 07:37 - 21 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers guys.

I'll get myself a Haynes manual, but I won't try anything too adventurous. The first time you change your brakes yourself must be a nerve wracking experience!

I just want to look after it between services.
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PostPosted: 07:43 - 21 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brakes are actually quite simple once you know the order - on most bikes its just unscrew a bolt, remove the retaining pin/clip, pull them out, push the pistons back in a bit and pop the new ones in, then reverse order. Can do it in under 10 minutes once you've got used to it Thumbs Up

If you want to clean the caliper whilst they're out it takes a little longer, and doing the brake fluid is a little more complex but nothing too bad either way, and brake fluid only needs doing every 1-2 years on most bikes, i don't often change the fluid when doing the pads at the rate i get through mine.

Besides major services you can service it entirely at home once you've got the hang of the basics, most of its 'checks' that rarely result in anything needing to be done, and the other things are just straight forward fluid/filter changes in general, bit of grease/oil on a few areas, clean the chain etc - job done Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 21 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Christoffee wrote:
The first time you change your brakes yourself must be a nerve wracking experience!


It's your bike, it might be a considerable investment, your only method of transport, or you might have an emotional attachment. Then there is the small matter of consequences to your well-being if you make a mistake.
I agree with you, for all of these reasons, it is quite a focusing moment when pulling apart your brakes for the first time. Or anything mechanical on the bike for the first time. Matt is spot on though, most of these jobs are very simple once you know.

That being said, I still managed to feck up a pad change. It was the 2nd or 3rd time the caliper had been off, so I was pretty happy with the procedure by the time the pads needed doing. Once finished I finger tightened the bolts when putting it back together, but forgot to torque it up. 3 days of going over pot holes and the front caliper fell off at 40mph. That was also a focusing moment.
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Christoffee
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PostPosted: 19:41 - 21 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do you guys do your own servicing? It seems that all bikers do. Is it because you're so much more exposed to problems or failures? Are good bike garages hard to come by? Are dealers really that bad for costs? Or are you just hardcore??
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PostPosted: 19:52 - 21 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Christoffee wrote:
Or are you just hardcore??
Yes.
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PostPosted: 20:07 - 21 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Christoffee wrote:
The first time you change your brakes yourself must be a nerve wracking experience!



Changing them is ok - its the first ride after that is arse clenching Laughing

Welcome to the forum Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:12 - 21 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Christoffee wrote:
Why do you guys do your own servicing? It seems that all bikers do. Is it because you're so much more exposed to problems or failures? Are good bike garages hard to come by? Are dealers really that bad for costs? Or are you just hardcore??


For me its just for fun. I've always been interested in things like that and just feel really satisfied doing it! Smile

Welcome, enjoy riding, I just experienced the best and worst part of having a bike. I nipped to the shop 5 minutes away, but was enjoying myself and ended up riding for nearly an hour and a half having a great time, not a care in the world. The worst part? I forgot to go to the shop!
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 21 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haynes are referred to as Books of Lies for good reason. Treat torque figures in particular with caution, and if in doubt, take your own pictures: reassembly is frequently not the opposite of disassembly. Wink

I like to do work so that I know it's been done, and done right.
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PostPosted: 21:11 - 21 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The drawback of Haynes manuals is they always seem to find a shiny pristine bike to work on, they never seem to have to tackle stuff that's seized up, rusted beyond recognition or rounded off. Apart from that I've found them to be reasonably good guides.
A much better source of detailed info is the BCF Workshop forum.
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 21 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Christoffee wrote:
Why do you guys do your own servicing? It seems that all bikers do. Is it because you're so much more exposed to problems or failures? Are good bike garages hard to come by? Are dealers really that bad for costs? Or are you just hardcore??


Cost was the final push factor for me personally, if you do a lot of miles and intend to stick to the service schedule and maintain it well it will save a small fortune over a few years in garage fees. Plus you can do it when you want in your own time - most importantly TAKING your time - some garages can be a bit rushed with lots of work ive found and although most do the job, it might not be as thorough and in depth as you coukd devoting your own time to it Thumbs Up

And generally its fun and a great sense of achievement Cool

Definately worth the initial outwards cost of a good set of tools though i got a near full kit for my bikes/car together for 100-150 odd. Already saved tripple that on servicing in the last 6 months Thumbs Up torque wrenches particularly are wortg using if youre new to working on it to make sure you avoid under or over tightening anything Smile
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PostPosted: 08:09 - 22 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had never worked on anything mechanical before I got my bike.

When I looked into motorcycling the idea of getting my hands dirty intrigued me.

With regard to chain lubing, tightening and brake pad changes; when you do them for the first time, you feel ... manly. I felt like I'd finally arrived to manhood. When you work on your own bike you take a lot more pride in the work you do.

Garages want things in and out in my opinion and not too much care in between. If you take it to a garage everytime your chain goes slack you'll be spending more money than on fuel (over exaggerated).

With the power of the internet you can do almost anything if you have the right tools. First thing, get yourself a socket set, mine actually came from ARGOS for £40 and it's done everything, I expected some bits to break but nothing has. then build up from there, C-spanner, Allen keys etc etc.

Give it a go Smile
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PostPosted: 11:30 - 22 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the things I enjoy most about biking is definitely maintenance, find it really fun and actually look forward to some tasks like oil changes... I mean wtf!

Worst thing is definitely cleaning my bike, that's really crap.
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Christoffee
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PostPosted: 19:34 - 22 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks everyone. I shall man up and maintain my bike!
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