Fake skills shortages

[fatpies]

I'm old enough to have lived through at least 4-5 cry wolf cycles (maybe more) of:

There aren't enough X Y Z workers.

There aren't enough plumbers

There aren't enough gas fitters

There aren't enough engineers

There aren't enough mechanics

There aren't enough teachers

We gotta train more of them. My cynical side always said that these shortages were just businesses saying.

We don't want to pay the going rate, train up employees and want fatter profits. Therefore get the government to pay and get people to take on a shed load of debt so we can suppress wages!

I never really had much evidence for this cynical kind of thinking. Other than the decline in the pay packets of all the jobs were there were shortages...

Looks like I was was right*

https://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/education/the-stem-crisis-is-a-myth

*or an article has come up which supports my confirmation bias
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[Im-a-Ridah]

Plenty of Engineering job vacancies, trouble is they don't all offer wages in keeping with the skills and experience of the staff they seek.

As for the others you list, there's plenty of "labour force" type workers in the job centre and very few vacancies.

[Derivative]

It took me a while to get my head around the concept of 'shortages' in economics.

As far as I can tell it's simply a redefinition of the term. If salaries are higher than an arbitrary benchmark (NMW as far as I can tell seems to be the favourite) then there's a 'shortage' of labourers.

The most hilarious part is that they actually seem to expect mathematicians of all folk to accept daft wages.

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[orac]

i have to agree with the daft money, i ahve spent the last 10 years of my life doing various types of cleaning, and atm they wont to pay minimum wage, expect us to do 2 hours work in an hour, and then expect the work to be top notch at the same time. i about to leave the industry due to the fact that they now seem to expect the impossible
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[Im-a-Ridah]

Also, make sure you don't count all UK uni attendees as being in the market, they aren't. Many are just here to study. Case in point with Engineering...

But it’s only a sticking plaster on the wider issue that is getting worse. “Since the late 1990s the number of UK-born graduates studying mathematics and science degrees has fallen by almost 70%,” comments Brown. “This has lead to an increasing shortage in relevant skills and has put the UK's efforts to tackle growing cyber security risks on a backfoot.” The long-term solution can only be to encourage more bright youngsters to follow studies in mathematics and engineering; and then to persuade them to take careers in security.

https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/view/28754/new-gchq-territorial-spook-army/

[Rogerborg]

I've topped out my earning potential. Agents keep throwing "senior" jobs at me that are offering 15K or 20K less than I'm on.

At the same time, my company is planning to pay a small fortune to move into city centre premises specifically in order to attract urbanite graduates, rather than simply offering them more money.

Business, eh?
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[fatpies]

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[Yoyo]

Doing agency work at the minute. Which Fabrication (my trade) is very far a few between is a farce.
In the past year in my town there has been probably 3 places looking for people. One even took the piss because I had my mum in the car when I went for my interview, because I was going Snowboarding afterwards.

To get a job is very easy if you already have one. I've had more than enough fall outs with my sister who thinks you can still walk out of one job into another. Where as the truth is when working in a trade, you have to be given the opertunity to get somewhere. All my jobs have been because a mate has been leaving a place and has laid my name on because they know I will put the hours in and the job will be done right.

I really can't express how much i'd like to grab some people and give them a head wobble to how hard it really is to get a job in this current climate. I'm only loading trucks all night at some shit wholesalers because I want to be out the house and actually getting some money rather than 'scrounging of everyone' like some family and friends have said.

It isn't just a case of companies taking on to make up numbers. Most of them are struggling to scratch the wages to pay who they have.
You do understand that a customer can make a company wait upto 90days until they pay. So whilst they are waiting for that to come in where are they making the rest of their money from?

That is a very ignorant way of looking at things. It might be all rosy and coming up not smelling of shit for you. But there are thousands of people like me who have put their 4years in of making tea and taking shit of the other blokes. And are wondering if they actually wasted their time.
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