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PostPosted: 11:27 - 06 Sep 2013    Post subject: car tow bar Reply with quote

Helloo,

Has anyone here installed tow bar on their car to tow bike/car ?


do you know the cost and where you should normally go to ?

if it can be done diy I am happy to do it at home

Many thanks
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PostPosted: 11:54 - 06 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.towsure.com/ if you want to go DIY route.

Other than that, just Google it - I've used https://www.astowbars.com/ to supply and fit one to my last 2 cars. Passat was a shade under £400 for twin outlet, Jeep was about £300 for twin outlet (because less work/parts were needed as it's designed to take one)
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PostPosted: 11:59 - 06 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm tempted to tell you to just go to Halfords, but the sarcasm might be lost.
Try googling witter tow bars and see if you can find a make/model listing for your car and find out the type of tow bar available.
I fitted my own towbar and electrics which was easy enough, but it was a straight bolt on and hack the electrics with soldering etc. Easy for me.
Your car may require removal of bumpers or other modifications which can be a pain, but still doable.


Google for towbars - select your car/towbar combination - download fitting instructions - make an informed decision.
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PostPosted: 12:11 - 06 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Breakers yards are a good place to pick up cheap towbars, You can strip all the relays and buzzers off too.

A basic towbar kit on ebay is about £80 that is generally without any electrics or anything.

The one for my grandfathers xsara Picasso only cost me £25, I spent another £13 on new bolts and half a day and a few cans of paint getting rid of the surface rust.

What I did was snip the main tow bar wires so that I could just pull them out the chassis,

then rather than disconnecting all the spiced in wires I just cut the main harness on the donor car so that all the towbar wires where left connected,

All I needed to do was swap them one at a time on to my granddads car, saved having to mess about with multi meters and wiring diagrams to connect everything back up. I only had to solder about 4 of the dozen or so wires to the sockets as the cables had enough length to reconnect using the old connector blocks.
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PostPosted: 12:14 - 06 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks, wasn't lazy to google but just wanted to get some opinions.

I did have look at ebay and it was £250 for my car which seemed expensive at first but guess it is the norm


I guess it is bolt on job as opposed to welding ? so can be done diy
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 06 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty much all cars will have mounting holes in the chassis to bolt up a towbar,

Some are real easy to fit (Picasso was a piece of piss) others you need to remove/ cut bumpers and trims.

Probably just me being a tight arse but I would rather make a towbar then pay £250,
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PostPosted: 12:21 - 06 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The cost will quite obviously depend on the vehicle involved... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 12:21 - 06 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

no you are not unique rather do I.
I found some on ebay for 81 including electrics etc which is very cheap but don't know about the quality and whether should risk it


https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290622785159&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 06 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

also I know you have braked and unbrake maximum carrying weight.

when a trailer is braked, does it need to be connected to the car braking system ? i find this silly and almost impossible . I think it is rather an electric or automatic system which applies the brake , is int?
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PostPosted: 12:38 - 06 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

prawny1 wrote:
Beakers yards


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PostPosted: 14:58 - 06 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stranger12 wrote:
when a trailer is braked, does it need to be connected to the car braking system ? i find this silly and almost impossible . I think it is rather an electric or automatic system which applies the brake , is int?


As far as I understand a braked trailer will have a mechanism in the neck of the hitch, so when the car slows down it compresses the mechanism & applies the trailers brakes (also there is usually a breakaway cable as well)
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PostPosted: 17:54 - 06 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just got one via ebay.

Can get one for my motor for about £75 with wiring and ball etc but went for a witter one from Drive for £85 since I really can't be messing with 'it sort of fits'

I have the use of a workshop when I need it so spent some time doing it properly, lucky really, fitted a few tow bars to various cars and this was by far the biggest pain in the arse I've had the misfortune to have a go at. (few pics below)

The brakes work on the braked trailer they are fitted to, usually by the weight of the trailer applying the brakes automatically when the tow a-frame compresses under vehicle braking.
Like a plunger on the front of trailer, as car brakes and trailer doesn't the plunger goes in and puts trailer brakes on, accelerate and the brakes release as plunger comes back out.

The tow bars have to meet a certain approval these days.
Stolen from a PDF

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Passenger cars first registered in the UK before 1 August 1998
These vehicles do not fall within the scope of Type Approval. There is no legal requirement
to choose a towbar of a particular standard, but Club advice is to select one which has been
designed and tested to either of the following standards:
British Standard BS 150 1103:2007 (supercedes the now withdrawn BS AU
113c standard)
European Directive 94/20/EC
The former will be found more commonly for such vehicles. The latter is similar, but uses a
significantly higher test load, making towbars which comply with it appreciably stronger.
Beware of manufacturers making statements such as ‘designed to BS 150 1103’. Only a
statement that the design has been tested to and has passed the standard has much credibility.
There are no specific restrictions to the fitting of accessories to towbars in this category,
although it would be prudent to ensure that any accessories used do not interfere with the
towbar’s ability to do its job. It is acceptable to fit a drop plate to such towbars, in order to
lower the towball height to improve the attitude of the caravan which towing. Note that a
drop plate should never be used as a raiser plate to place the ball higher, since this can put
undue load on both the towbar and the car body mountings particularly undue heavy braking.

Passenger cars first registered in the UK from 1 August 1998
These vehicles do generally fall within the scope of Type Approval.
Type Approval is the
process by which a car and its constituent parts are tested and approved to be of an acceptable
standard, and is generally a requirement for all new cars sold in Europe. There is a legal
requirement therefore to choose a towbar which demonstrates acceptable performance in
accordance with the relevant European Directive 94/20/EC.
A small number of cars fall outside the scope of the normal Type Approval process. These
include kit cars and some so-called ‘grey market’ import vehicles. While the former are
rarely of interest as far as towing duties are concerned, the latter can include some popular
makes of 4x4s and MPVs. Such vehicles can be problematic in terms of their suitability for
towing, since they may originate in markets where towing is uncommon, and their
specification may therefore differ in comparison with a European-market equivalent model.
Prospective owners should always query the importer or retailer over such models’ suitability
for towing, and the availability of a compatible towbar, before purchasing.
Care needs to be taken when considering the attachment of accessories which themselves
generally do not have Type Approval - eg stabiliser brackets, cycle carriers etc , but which fit
between the towball and the towbar of a ‘bolt-on ball’ type of towbar. The DETR
(Department of the Environment Transport and the Regions) states that
“...it is the responsibility of the user to contact the towbar manufacturer in order to
determine whether or not the bracket has been type approved, taking into account the use
of such additional devices that may be fitted. Some towbar manufacturers may already give
such advice in their installation details.”



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PostPosted: 19:10 - 06 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Modern cars with CANBUS electrics (BMW/VW`s) are a real PITA to wire in the electrics
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PostPosted: 21:53 - 07 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Davo wrote:
stranger12 wrote:
when a trailer is braked, does it need to be connected to the car braking system ? i find this silly and almost impossible . I think it is rather an electric or automatic system which applies the brake , is int?


As far as I understand a braked trailer will have a mechanism in the neck of the hitch, so when the car slows down it compresses the mechanism & applies the trailers brakes (also there is usually a breakaway cable as well)


^^ this, in the hitch there is a damper that applies the trailers brakes when you hit the cars brakes, the trailer's weight pushes against the hitch and the damper applies the brakes. the damper is there so they don't just lock up.
also since 1997 all tow bars have to be made to fit the specific mounting points on the cars as originally attached to the chassis by the manufacturer. which means you can no longer make your own mounting points or towbars.
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PostPosted: 01:28 - 08 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tow Hitches are part of MoT now. If fitted the electrics will be tested. If not correct the vehicle will not pass.
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PostPosted: 01:44 - 08 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most people should be able to fit a tow bar within a hour. It's the electrical hookup that takes time. On the RAV4 I had to run wires from the engine bay through to the connector. On older cars it's mainly a matter of breaking into the rear light wiring although I believe that you have to fit a buzzer for indicators.
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PostPosted: 02:56 - 08 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

while on the subject of electric, new stuff needs to be fitted spot on due to the fact that cutting the loom to splice stuff in will often cause the ecu to fire off all sorts of fault codes
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 08 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ichy wrote:
Most people should be able to fit a tow bar within a hour. It's the electrical hookup that takes time. On the RAV4 I had to run wires from the engine bay through to the connector. On older cars it's mainly a matter of breaking into the rear light wiring although I believe that you have to fit a buzzer for indicators.


My bum socket 'Most People should take an hour.

The professional who fitted the tow bar to my car took 2.5 hours and the bar I fitted to another car took me 2 hours.
There are bits that have to come off and places that have to be drilled, marked out and cut.
So 1 hour.... Nah. Maybe if there has been a tow bar fitted previously.

And two hours is very conservative. It would be better to estimate 3.

Wiring is a whole bag of shit too as you will have to identify the wires for each circuit and then properly splice in.
If it is CANBUS then a plug will be available from the OEM but this still has to be spliced to the trailer socket.
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 08 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:


The professional who fitted the tow bar to my car took 2.5 hours and the bar I fitted to another car took me 2 hours.


He scammed you and you're just slow, happens with age. I've fitted a few and never has the mechanical work taken more than a hour.
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PostPosted: 11:46 - 08 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ichy wrote:
Walloper wrote:


The professional who fitted the tow bar to my car took 2.5 hours and the bar I fitted to another car took me 2 hours.


He scammed you and you're just slow, happens with age. I've fitted a few and never has the mechanical work taken more than a hour.


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How long does it take to get a tow bar fitted?
This depends on vehicle type. Typically 2-3 hours. This can be done at our Dorset premises, exact fitting times will be given when you book the vehicle in.

https://www.towbarcentredorset.co.uk/faq.html
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PostPosted: 08:53 - 09 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks, I am going to get a kit and hopefully should be easy to fit.

Although I may fit this on my 530 e60 which has a can protocol so the electric can be pain
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PostPosted: 09:49 - 09 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stranger12 wrote:
thanks, I am going to get a kit and hopefully should be easy to fit.

Although I may fit this on my 530 e60 which has a can protocol so the electric can be pain


I fitted the BMW detachable bar to my 520. You get the correct harness with the bar. Ill tell you the company and price if you want. The beauty of this is you don't have an fcukugly thing hanging out the back. As far as anyone can see there is no tow bar. The hook plugs in in seconds. Wink
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PostPosted: 09:49 - 09 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stranger12 wrote:
thanks, I am going to get a kit and hopefully should be easy to fit.

Although I may fit this on my 530 e60 which has a can protocol so the electric can be pain


I fitted the BMW detachable bar to my 520. You get the correct harness with the bar. Ill tell you the company and price if you want. The beauty of this is you don't have an fcukugly thing hanging out the back. As far as anyone can see there is no tow bar. The hook plugs in in seconds. Wink
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