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ddarkeh
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PostPosted: 22:40 - 11 Oct 2013    Post subject: Full UK Licence Bike and Car Reply with quote

Hi Guys,

New to the forum and already asking for some advice.., i've searched and searched and can't find a similar topic so here goes

I got my Full UK driving licence 5 years ago entitled to ride motorbikes (Class A on the back) and this year I passed my car practical (class B on the back), section 4a on my licence is my car pass date. Now when applying for insurance you have a couple of sections

"What type of Licence do you have" - I Pick "Full Uk Manual" (right so that cover bike and car)

"When did you obtain licence" - Uhhh 5 Years ago?

And that's it doesn't mention that it's specific to any vehicle other than licence would I be wrong in putitng 5 years down? appreciate the help in advance as this one has stumped me Neutral
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Nobby the Bastard
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PostPosted: 22:44 - 11 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are applying for bike insurance, when you passed your bike licence.

If you are applying of car insurance, when you passed the car test.

It's not rocket science.
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PostPosted: 08:50 - 12 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always put when I past my actual test, not the 2 years the DVLA claim I didn't have a full licence for - I had one but with the restriction of riding bikes under 33bhp.
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PostPosted: 08:57 - 12 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Charlie wrote:
I always put when I past my actual test, not the 2 years the DVLA claim I didn't have a full licence for - I had one but with the restriction of riding bikes under 33bhp.


Anecdotally I suspect you could be done for that since the 33bhp license or A2 is different to the full category A license.

Yes the system just conned you out of two years worth of experience.
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PostPosted: 10:49 - 12 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:
Charlie wrote:
I always put when I past my actual test, not the 2 years the DVLA claim I didn't have a full licence for - I had one but with the restriction of riding bikes under 33bhp.


Anecdotally I suspect you could be done for that since the 33bhp license or A2 is different to the full category A license.

Depends on your point of view. Before January 19th 2013 there was no such thing as an "A2" license category - I have an email from the DVLA confirming this. There was only "A1" and "A" with or without a 25kW endorsement (and 0.16kW/kg not shown on the license). Of course, the DVLA then record "A <= 25kW" on the counterpart as "A2" under "previous entitlement", because shut up that's why. Brick Wall

That didn't stop eBike winning a case at the ombudsman on the basis that they were asking how long a customer had held his "A" category for.

There's some justification for that, as eBike are one of the very few insurers who do even list different license categories, although hilariously (to me) they always just listed "A <= 25kW" as "A2" even before that category existed.

The thing is that they cost 2 years of "A2" (when you can really only have 0 or 1 year under the 25kW system) the same as 0 years of "A" so they weren't actually stitching the customer up.

That's eBike though, you'll find that most insurers are still only listing "provisional" or "full", more than two decades after motorcycle licenses were first graduated.

Under those circumstances, I count from my test date, since that's their choice and I'm going by what they say rather than by what they might have imagined they meant.

tl;dr version: if the insurer lists different categories tell them how long you've had that category. If they only list provisional or full, go by your first pass date even if that's the comedy A1 license.
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PostPosted: 11:02 - 12 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree, and I do from when I first passed my A2/restricted license. Shh!! though. Wink
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PostPosted: 16:32 - 12 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure if the customer caved after that. Ombudsman decisions are only binding on the insurer, not the customer. The thing is, I do sort of agree with their decision, but not for the reasons that they give.

Well, I've been counting from my pass date with other insurers, and would welcome an insurer trying it on. I'm happy to cost them money at the ombudsman, and then at Sheriff Court... if they even have any Scotch legal presence. Wink
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Marlin
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PostPosted: 15:35 - 13 Oct 2013    Post subject: Re: Full UK Licence Bike and Car Reply with quote

The OP was referring to the date in section 4a of the licence.
This is not the date of getting an entitlement, it is the date the photocard was issued. As such it changes when you get a new card for e.g. address change or photo update.
For entitlement dates you use the ones on the back.
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PostPosted: 16:26 - 13 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have always included the 2 years I was restricted when putting how many years i've held full license so far - but that may be largely as the insurers i've been with don't ask or specify with other options.

Also in my mind i got my full license when I passed my test and was handed a pass certificate - it may of been on a timed restriction, but it was a full license.

If they don't have an option to put anything else I wouldn't be overly concerned personally I know a fair few people who have done similar and gone through claims without it being mentioned.

It depends which vehicle you're applying for insurance on if i'm understanding your first post right though, if you only just passed your car test, and had your bike license 5 years ago, putting you passed your full UK test 5 years ago on a car insurance form is likely to end in you getting into bother i'd of thought.
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 13 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got asked when last insuring my bike (still on provisional entitlement) how long have I had a provisional licence. so as I have had that since I was 17 I was able to answer in all honesty, 23 years.
when I do pass the bike entitlement, and i'm asked how long have I had a Full Licence for, unless they ask Full Entitlement, they'll get told October 1995. that was when I passed my Car test and technically that was when I got a licence, everything else is an additional entitlement.
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PostPosted: 23:14 - 13 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Am I right in thinking the question is "how long have you held the licence?"

Depending on the question will depend on the answer. I dare say there will be something in the Ts and Cs if you look.
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PostPosted: 07:34 - 14 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Golgarth wrote:
Am I right in thinking the question is "how long have you held the licence?"

Depending on the question will depend on the answer. I dare say there will be something in the Ts and Cs if you look.


^ Yep. I'm fairly sure last time I renewed the question mark next to the 'how long have you held your license?' question popped up an explanation saying that they wanted to know how long you'd held a license allowing you to drive [/ride] the vehicle you were insuring.

Which doesn't really leave that much room for misunderstanding. If they'd just asked 'how long have you had a driving license?' with no clarification then yes, that's more arguable. (Especially on bike insurance where some companies actually do want to know whether you drive a car, how long you've been doing that, etc.)
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