Doesn't matter if you have an S1000RR anymore

[rac3r]

You will now loose

https://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=28693

(yeah I know price difference blah blah)

Those are ridiculous figures though you have to admit. Do you think bikes can get any quicker or have they reached their limit?
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[Clutchy]

Well thats fairly brisk!


Wouldn't compare it to a motorbike however.


All that and still within emission laws... A shout out to the engineers would of been nice!
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[Shaft]

Hasn't it been quite a while since bikes could get close to cars?

I believe in this year's British GPs, the fastest race laps were about 30 seconds apart, in favour of F1.
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The BMW, which is a bit over 100th the cost, gets to 200kph (124mph) in about the same time as this car.

Bikes will always lose out to fast road cars when the speed gets up thanks to aerodynamics.

On the other side, this car won't be close to an F1's laptimes thanks to the lack of downforce.

Not the P1 is a 'plug in hybrid'. That's why it's emissions are so low, I believe. It also, I believe, means that if you've got a suitable big tax bill, you can knock a big chunk of the tax off, making the car near-free.
Which is why all status car companies are going that way.

And yes, cars can get quicker.
More power will reduce the 124-186 times by a good chunk - below that I suspect you're more dealing with traction issues, etc.
Note that the first 200kph takes just under 7 seconds, while the next 100kph takes just under 10 seconds. More power is the easiest way to reduce that and bash through the air quicker.

As ever - get to some traffic (ie, using it in the UK) and the bike wins.

Oh and I suspect a SR8 will still be quicker at any track - still holds the Nurburgring road legal production car record.

[Derivative]

Cars have been faster than bikes for as long as I know the history. Then again, I'm quite young. Let's do some learning.

Wikipedia gives this info:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fastest_production_motorcycles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fastest_production_cars

Looks like cars have outclassed bikes since at least the 50's and probably earlier.

The F40 from 1987 with a top speed of 202mph is pretty much on par with any standard bike out there today.

Acceleration might be a different story.

My grandfather passed on before I got into bikes, but he'd presumably think of the CB500 as a space rocket. Teleport it back into his twenties and it'd be the fastest bike on the road. Now it's the subject of jokes on bike forums.

[Derivative]

Here is a very rough-and-ready graph I made of top speed using the Wikipedia data. There are some oddities because it looks like the 'fastest vehicle' was sometimes slower than earlier, I suppose they stopped manufacturing it.

For bikes I used earliest production year and top of the range of top speed (basically, the fastest possible figure from the wiki data).
For cars the data is taken as given.

No contest since the 40's really. (I just assumed they were about the same then due to lack of data, it's likely cars were still winning)

https://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n39/mredgey/fastest_zps8a04951f.png

[weasley]

I have driven a car that is significantly faster than my (and pretty much any) bike. Didn't feel it though; it was almost Playstation-like in its ease of going fast. It was fun and it was impressive, but it was easy.
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[dydey90]

Now do a price graph? An F4 is about £8000 on Autotrader, a Veyron would be about £800,000.

[Derivative]

[dydey90]

[Derivative]

Price graph as requested:

Best production car 1940-2013:

https://hauscr.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/goldman.gif

Best production motorcycle 1940-2013:

https://www.oaklands.ac.uk/images/bnr/bnr_jobcentreplus_1.jpg

[daemonoid]

[rac3r]

What I'm saying is around 200hp the wall for bikes now? Cars are approaching and exceeding 1000hp with active aero and what not but obviously that doesn't work with bikes. Cars will probably reach their limit one day but have bikes already reached it!

By the way I'm not talking stupidly modded drag bikes, I'm talking factory made bikes that are useable
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There is more car technology 'available' - only so much you can do with aerodynamics on a bike.

You've been able to get cars with silly amounts of power for a long time as 'specials'.

I don't see why 200hp is a particular 'wall' for bikes; there's nothing to suggest that they're slowing down in making bikes with more and more power (though, actually; to be fair, the S1000 has ruled the roost for a while now.)

[Derivative]

Bikes are advancing in more ways, though.

Hayabusa -> S1000RR is (very roughly) a 30hp gain for a 50kg loss.

[Tungtvann]

I'd easily be able to buy the fastest production motorbike now, car, not in 50 years of saving. That's why bikes do it for me.

[Derivative]

[DrSnoosnoo]

It's just ... different, isn't it?

Like rugby vs american football. The rugby fans hate the american football lot (some do anyway) because they wear pads and all the trimmings but the sport is totally different.

Get some rich dick out of the McLaren and onto a S1000R and they'll shit their knickers. Cornering is so different, acceleration is so different, braking is different. I think the motorcyclist is the braver man, too
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[nathan k]

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In a straight line in ok conditions normal bikes won't be limited by grip - they will be limited by the front coming up or air resistance. More power moves the bit where they are limited by aerodynamics rather than geometry to a higher speed. Thus the BMW does keep up with the million pound + cars to 200kph.

Making 300hp from a lightweight 1 litre eninge withotut it exploding is more the issue, I'd suggest - it'd be easy to add in something so that the full power only came in over 140mph, say.

Fastest car is the venom GT which is about £740k if bought in the US. 285 a week to save for 50 years.
If, however, you prefer corners, you could get a second hand sr8 for around the price of two hp4s ... and despite it not having that high a top speed, still lap any circuit faster. Hough, it'll be interesting to see how the P1 does... its got a pretty favourable power to weight ratio... but that weight still has to be dragged around corners.

[Derivative]

Is there a limit at which it'd just become daft and excessively dangerous? Requiring some sort of rider harness?

I haven't been on anything seriously fast. At 120 you can still lift your chest above the windscreen and not get blown off. Could you at 200? 240? More?

You can design the bike to shelter the rider, but only under the sort of ideal conditions of being tucked in.

[Cadbury]

Potential nonsense post inbound!

But:

Taking the data from those figures in PH and This link, and this pdf

0-60
The McLaren - 2.8s
The GSXR - 2.35

60-0
The McLaren - 30m
The GSXR - 35m

1/4 mile:
- The McLaren = 9.8s
- The GSXR = 9.55s

Couldn't find any firm data on a GSXR's 0-200kph, but this video suggests its under 7 seconds, same as the McLaren.

The only place that hypercar seems to dominate is outright top speed. But i was under the impression that most of the Japanese motorcycle manufacturers were undertaking a Gentleman's agreement To limit bikes to 186mph? So a bit tricky to compare. Though, i'm sure we've all seen videos of Hayabusas getting over 220mph. Which would also match the McLaren.

I do talk a load of rubbish sometimes, so I may of course be wrong on some points, I'm only going by stuff on the internet
Either way, that car is pretty incredible

[clancy]

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Yes... no stock Busa has done 220 apart from on the clocks.

I've sat up at an indicated 180 and that's been fine - stock screen too, not double bubble. However, if the wind blast was too much, the obvious solution would be to stay tucked in.

[weasley]