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sidewinder
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PostPosted: 17:41 - 08 Nov 2013    Post subject: New Vfr 800 looks good Reply with quote

Now this has got me thinking could this be my first new bike purchase.looks good exhaust actually looks good.it even has self cancelling indicators Thinking

https://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/2014-honda-vfr800f/23894.html
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PostPosted: 17:50 - 08 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Historically, self cancelling indicators on motorcycles have sucked balls.

I would list it on the "against" side of a motorcycle purchase.

Especially if it's the same system Honda used on the PC800 which is feindishly complex and includes things like a handlebar position sensor.
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PostPosted: 18:47 - 08 Nov 2013    Post subject: Re: New Vfr 800 looks good Reply with quote

sidewinder wrote:
Re: New Vfr 800 looks good uglier


It actually looks quite like the old bike has just bitten down on a really strongly sour lemon!

But 'lighter' - impressed. First time I've heard that in relation to a new road bike for some time! Normally it's heavier and slower these days Sad.

Still don't see why I'd have one of these over a fireblade etc.
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 08 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me it would be ideal.due me and swmbo wanting to do a little touring next year.and think 800cc is ample for my needs.plus I keep forgetting to cancel my indies on occasions Embarassed
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PostPosted: 18:54 - 08 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just had a look and I think it looks pretty good Thumbs Up



As for self cancelling indicators? I`ve only ever owned one bike with them and that was my mighty RD 250 lc .
They worked fine on that?
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PostPosted: 18:54 - 08 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Self cancelling can get fu​cked, I have to repeatedly mash the buttons on my GS to stop it cancelling in the middle of roundabouts.
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 08 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's still a VTEC engine sadly - I wish they'd fitted the old gear-driven cam engine as it's a much nicer engine (I've had both models) Sad

Another 20bhp would have been nice too.
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PostPosted: 23:04 - 08 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just 10kg lighter? They need to take another 20kg off it's lardy ass.

It only produces 100bhp no need for such a heavy frame and beefy swing arm.
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PostPosted: 23:11 - 08 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

So it's making 3bhp more than the 750 was in 1986 and is 8kg heavier. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 23:28 - 08 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure I've seen this new VFR before..

https://i.imgur.com/vvLds2N.jpg
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PostPosted: 03:18 - 09 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

They had perfection:

https://i.imgur.com/3lXM0QN.jpg

And then they couldn't resist fucking about with it just for the sake of it.
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PostPosted: 07:25 - 09 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
So it's making 3bhp more than the 750 was in 1986 and is 8kg heavier. Rolling Eyes


I had a 1989 VFR750FK and 2000 VFR800FiY at the same time and the 800 was much faster, and better handling. It was a completely different generation of bike (as you'd expect) and is still a great bike to ride today.

The new one may only have 104bhp, but it will be usable bhp,with a decent mid-range, unlike a sports 600. Throw in good handling, build quality, comfort for both rider and pillion, and the option for hard luggage and it'll still be a great sports tourer Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 09 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
So it's making 3bhp more than the 750 was in 1986 and is 8kg heavier. Rolling Eyes

The 500 is heavier AND less powerful, so that's still pretty good by modern trends Smile.

Just be glad they haven't reduced the power to the restrictable A2 range or whatever.
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PostPosted: 11:39 - 09 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

spnorm wrote:

I had a 1989 VFR750FK and 2000 VFR800FiY at the same time and the 800 was much faster, and better handling. It was a completely different generation of bike (as you'd expect) and is still a great bike to ride today.

The new one may only have 104bhp, but it will be usable bhp,with a decent mid-range, unlike a sports 600. Throw in good handling, build quality, comfort for both rider and pillion, and the option for hard luggage and it'll still be a great sports tourer Thumbs Up


It'll be good but it's not progress, it's recursion.

Upgrade the brakes and suspension on a 750 and it'll give the 800 a run for its money. One thing you could not say about it is that it's short on either midrange or the ability to use its bhp.

The main difference as I see it is that the plastics are nearly impossable to remove from the 800, but that's ok because the engine requires an enormously expensive dealer servicing for the major service because of the VTEC (to the extent where people sell them when it is due). They do however return much better fuel economy.

They should have kept it just like the 3rd gen 750s or 1st gen 800s but taken the engine out to 1000cc. It's what everybody wanted. It's what I still want.
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 09 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

They need to make a big-bang version!
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 09 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wozza wrote:
They need to make a big-bang version!


Surely that would be a split v-twin?

@vincent Yes I get what you mean about slipping the clutch a lot at low speeds.

A stage 1 dynojet improves things greatly, smooths it all out... but you'rs is Fi so you'd be loking at dialling in a power commander.
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PostPosted: 14:21 - 09 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still don't see why not just get a C/E/F ZX9 and make a few ergonomic mods Razz.

I'd expect to have to slip the clutch a good bit on sports 600s. Big twin sports bikes often suffer general lumpiness too - in both cases as the power is 'tuned' for the peak power. Has got better with decent FI.
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 09 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's totally ruined. I kind of liked the space age VFR800 with the underseat pipes which is becoming a rarity today on new bikes. It was very different to anything else like the Honda FN2 Civic as well.

I think that offering a more sporty version of the bike as a sport model would have been good though. De-linked brakes, fully adjustable quality suspension, no ABS, and a factory fitted performance exhaust, along with some lightweight forged wheels to say lop off 10-12kg would really please the it's not sporty or light enough people.

A bit like the CBR600 sport they did, but a better job of it.
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