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PostPosted: 13:39 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had similar with the WR450, they had it on record but as I only had a receipt of sale they wouldn't divulge details until I had a V5, I needed details to get said V5.

Dem smart ones Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:46 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

And there was I thinking a thread complimenting the local plod. How naive am I...
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

1198 wrote:
And there was I thinking a thread complimenting the local plod. How naive am I...


Kent Police think hit n run is legal Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:00 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

1198 wrote:
And there was I thinking a thread complimenting the local plod. How naive am I...


Kent police are twats at the best of time when I've been driving a car. No surprise to find out that they're twats to motorcyclists as well.
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PostPosted: 15:20 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

same situation as your Iain

i have DT175, no reg/ v5 never been on the road etc...

but how do check if its been half inched or not?!!

to apply for a plate its £55 from the DVLA

i spoke to the DVLA who said they cant check on the VIN on the police can

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PostPosted: 15:24 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spent 2 hours on the phone to pay a S59 ticket today Evil or Very Mad

The end result was, despite it being 28 days since issued, it's not even on their system and i've been put on a waiting list to be contacted? I am 99% sure it's going to end up with a 'here's your court ordered fine of £999999 for not paying'.

Tl:dr The plod are flipping useless.
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PostPosted: 15:30 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
Had similar with the WR450, they had it on record but as I only had a receipt of sale they wouldn't divulge details until I had a V5, I needed details to get said V5.

Dem smart ones Laughing


You mean a V5c with "THIS DOCUMENT IS NOT PROOF OF OWNERSHIP" written across the top? :twisted
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't see what's "confidential" about that. It's about the vehicle, not the owner.

Professional Standards, Police and Crime Commissioner, local press. Go on, it'll be a laugh.
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PostPosted: 17:26 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Re: Kent Police - Well done guys! Reply with quote

_Iain_ wrote:
Apparently it's confidential information and they cant give it out to members of the public.

"Superb, okay - so if this bike does turn out stolen then you'll come and confiscate it from me then yes?"

"That's correct sir, as we would return it to it's rightful owner"

"But you cant tell me if it's stolen or not?"

"No."

Honestly, I give up. Doh!


So give them the details and see if they turn up at the current owners address Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:18 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, actually wrote a post saying this would happen in reply to your other post asking about it, but seems it got lost in my 30 tabs open and never posted.

Standard operating procedure for them.

Maybe so people can't check if the bike they have stolen is reported as such.
But of course if it's road registered, you can do it with an HPI for a few quid.
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

_Iain_ wrote:

it's an offroad bike & never road registered then there's no way of HPI'ing it.

So, I called the police. Stated I was looking to buy a motocross bike that wasn't road registered. Told them I had both the frame, and the engine number so could they pop that into their database to confirm if the bike had been reported stolen or not. A simple request?


Rogerborg wrote:

Professional Standards, Police and Crime Commissioner, local press. Go on, it'll be a laugh.



You could be anybody ringing up (perhaps a criminal, trying to benefit from the disclosure of information about a third-party vehicle.) The rules enforcing the security and disclosure of information from PNC are heavily enforced.

AFAIK, there is a process by which you can attend a Kent police station in person and with satisfactory ID then the engine and chassis number can be checked, details recorded and you will get a "Yes/No" answer as to whether or not the vehicle is recorded as stolen.

Kent Police form 3258 'PNC Stolen Vehicle/Plant Disclosure To Public' - if my information is current.



mudcow007 wrote:
same situation as your Iain

i have DT175, no reg/ v5 never been on the road etc...

but how do check if its been half inched or not?!!

to apply for a plate its £55 from the DVLA




https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/protect-your-off-road-vehicle

It's free to register an off-road vehicle for a Q-plate, according to Inf85. Use form V55/5. You don't have to display the plate, tax/SORN, MOT test or insure the vehicle while it is used purely off-road.


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Spent 2 hours on the phone to pay a S59 ticket today Evil or Very Mad

The end result was, despite it being 28 days since issued,



You don't get fixed penalty notices for s.59 PRA2002 (which is for vehicle-related anti-social behaviour) - you get either a warning notice or a seizure notice (and your vehicle is seized.)

You've either mistaken the notice for a FPN or you've been issued a s.59 notice in conjunction with a FPN for a distinct offence.

(That doesn't help with the problem of a FPN not being registered on the central system, I know.)
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PostPosted: 19:01 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Re: Kent Police - Well done guys! Reply with quote

_Iain_ wrote:
"That's correct sir, as we would return it to it's rightful owner"

"But you cant tell me if it's stolen or not?"

"No."

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PostPosted: 19:07 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Re: Kent Police - Well done guys! Reply with quote

-Matt- wrote:
_Iain_ wrote:
"That's correct sir, as we would return it to it's rightful owner"

"But you cant tell me if it's stolen or not?"

"No."

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7a/Chief_Wiggum.png/220px-Chief_Wiggum.png




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PostPosted: 19:33 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Re: Kent Police - Well done guys! Reply with quote

Fruit'n'nut wrote:


Where's the image of a lazy biker who doesn't use the Internet to find all the information needed? Karma Wink


There shouldn't be one because there wasn't a lazy biker asking for information, merely telling a story Wink
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PostPosted: 19:46 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Re: Kent Police - Well done guys! Reply with quote

Nemo wrote:

there wasn't a .. biker asking for information





You should re-read the opening post Thumbs Up Razz
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PostPosted: 19:57 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Re: Kent Police - Well done guys! Reply with quote

Maybe he did and found one of the many people saying "don't ask on the internet... go and ask the relevant organisation" Smile.
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PostPosted: 20:05 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Re: Kent Police - Well done guys! Reply with quote

Fruit'n'nut wrote:
Where's the image of a lazy biker who doesn't use the Internet to find all the information needed? Karma Wink

Reading OP 1st post biker went old school pre-internet and actually asked question to a real person. However, officer Dibble was as much help as a fart in a spacesuit.

As to fruity and nutty please dismount from your high horse. Obviously the lack of oxygen at that altitude is affecting your brain. Mind you, arrogant attitude, belittling others, not a traffic cop by perchance? Confused Thinking
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PostPosted: 20:18 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Re: Kent Police - Well done guys! Reply with quote

map wrote:
Fruit'n'nut wrote:
Where's the image of a lazy biker who doesn't use the Internet to find all the information needed? Karma Wink



.. high horse. .. lack of oxygen at that altitude is affecting your brain. .. arrogant attitude, belittling others




Steady, Neddy; you quoted my Wink but seemingly entirely missed the context it was meant to impart, following on from a picture of Chief Wiggum.

Either that ^ or there's a whole bag of chips on your shoulder.

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Ps - did you miss the bit where I went out of my way to arrogantly post the process and even the form number that will meet his needs? Neutral It's a struggle to even reach the keyboard from up here on my horse Razz
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
1198 wrote:
And there was I thinking a thread complimenting the local plod. How naive am I...


Kent Police think hit n run is legal Laughing


So do the police in Bradford. Unless your injured they will not move a finger, no matter how much money the hit and run has cost you or how much video footage and proof you have. Must be because there is no financial reward for the police from this crime? I often find the reaction of the police more disturbing than the crime that has been committed........
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PostPosted: 20:53 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Re: Kent Police - Well done guys! Reply with quote

Fruit'n'nut wrote:
..did you miss the bit where I went out of my way to arrogantly post the process and even the form number that will meet his needs?...

Spotted that. Came across as talking down and treating OP as idiot.

You will note that when OP contacted office Dibble at Kent police they couldn't be bothered or were too ignorant to impart the same information. Kent police not exactly coming out of this with any plaudits.
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think most coppers are cunts, regardless..

Never helpful towards me, even with video proof of stuff... so I never give them the time of day.
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Re: Kent Police - Well done guys! Reply with quote

_Iain_ wrote:
So basicly, i've been looking at swapping my Bandit for an offroader. Got a little CR125 lined up, deals set provided the bike checks out legal.

Tried to look at a few HPI sites, all want reg numbers. As it's an offroad bike & never road registered then there's no way of HPI'ing it.

So, I called the police. Stated I was looking to buy a motocross bike that wasn't road registered. Told them I had both the frame, and the engine number so could they pop that into their database to confirm if the bike had been reported stolen or not. A simple request?

Apparently it's confidential information and they cant give it out to members of the public.

"Superb, okay - so if this bike does turn out stolen then you'll come and confiscate it from me then yes?"

"That's correct sir, as we would return it to it's rightful owner"

"But you cant tell me if it's stolen or not?"

"No."

Honestly, I give up. Doh!


There are often different ways round a particular problem. If, after your Police contact informed you the this information was confidential, you could have given him frame, engine and registered number and then asked him if, given the information now in their possession, you could expect a visit form the local Constabulary to confiscate said machine.
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PostPosted: 21:08 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Re: Kent Police - Well done guys! Reply with quote

Fruit'n'nut wrote:
Nemo wrote:

there wasn't a .. biker asking for information





You should re-read the opening post Thumbs Up Razz


Quote the question please, I fail to see one that isn't rhetorical and specifically asks for information

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