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PostPosted: 19:12 - 23 Nov 2013    Post subject: Shed security Reply with quote

Hi guys I've got a shed being delivered this week before the bike makes it's way here.

Whats the best way to secure it inside the shed? I was thinking maybe put a slab of concrete under the flags that the shed is going to sit on and put a high anchor into the concrete and through the base of the shed or is there an easier way that anyone can think of? Basically need something to chain to.

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PostPosted: 19:58 - 23 Nov 2013    Post subject: Re: Shed security Reply with quote

SirMacca89 wrote:
Hi guys I've got a shed being delivered this week before the bike makes it's way here.

Whats the best way to secure it inside the shed? I was thinking maybe put a slab of concrete under the flags that the shed is going to sit on and put a high anchor into the concrete and through the base of the shed or is there an easier way that anyone can think of? Basically need something to chain to.

Cheers


Almax do an anchor.

They are a no shite company who sell proper stuff.

https://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/index.asp?pg=1

Remember the best way to attract attention is advertising. Try to not leave the goodies on show when possible. Wink
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PostPosted: 20:09 - 23 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did same mate. 7x4 shed then dug through base of shed into concrete underneath about 1ft deep, chucked in some cement and then ground anchor left to set for 24 hrs. Then put shed base back down with a slot in it for the anchor to good through.
Then a nice almax series 4 chain to finish off! Cool
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 23 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the reply I will check them out now, have heard of them before.

Has anyone had any experience with any oxford anchors and what's your verdicts on them? My mate has one for sale at the minute, with all original fixings, is the only reason I ask.
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PostPosted: 20:18 - 23 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

SirMacca89 wrote:
Thanks for the reply I will check them out now, have heard of them before.

Has anyone had any experience with any oxford anchors and what's your verdicts on them? My mate has one for sale at the minute, with all original fixings, is the only reason I ask.


Cheers that's what I'm thinking is going to be my best option. I have ordered a 8*6 shed so should have more than enough room for bike and other bits.
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PostPosted: 20:29 - 23 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

SirMacca89 wrote:
Thanks for the reply I will check them out now, have heard of them before.

Has anyone had any experience with any oxford anchors and what's your verdicts on them? My mate has one for sale at the minute, with all original fixings, is the only reason I ask.


Well I was an Oxford fan until I asked them about the ALMAX video of them chopping through a Monster chain. The guy was not interested that their chains are not what sold secure and thatchams say they should be.
I also remember a chain I had which I found several links weren't fully welded but the nylon fabric cover meant the bad links were un-seen.

And what has been seen cannot ever be un-seen. Smile
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 23 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ye I think I remember seeing that video a while ago.

I failed to mention that the shed will have a PIR and contact sensor both connected to the house alarm aswell as the anchor, chain and disk locks.
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 23 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^ good luck with the spiders Very Happy
Might be worth sealing the sensor with a spot of silicon.
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 23 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

berzerker wrote:
^^ good luck with the spiders Very Happy
Might be worth sealing the sensor with a spot of silicon.


Hmm didn't really think that through did I!!! Laughing
Hate those bloody pesky things!
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 23 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

SirMacca89 wrote:
Thanks for the reply I will check them out now, have heard of them before.

Has anyone had any experience with any oxford anchors and what's your verdicts on them? My mate has one for sale at the minute, with all original fixings, is the only reason I ask.


I have an oxford ground anchor, it's a quality bit of kit. Apparently their chains are crap but this ground anchor is good quality and sturdy. It's the rota force one.
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PostPosted: 22:17 - 23 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

SirMacca89 wrote:
Thanks for the reply I will check them out now, have heard of them before.

Has anyone had any experience with any oxford anchors and what's your verdicts on them? My mate has one for sale at the minute, with all original fixings, is the only reason I ask.


I have an oxford ground anchor, it's a quality bit of kit. Apparently their chains are crap but this ground anchor is good quality and sturdy. It's the rota force one.
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 23 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

fit a dog to the shed. 24 audible deterrent Smile
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PostPosted: 23:19 - 23 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if I can teach my rabbits to bark? Haha

I think I will give the Oxford anchor a go and get a decent chain in that case
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PostPosted: 23:52 - 23 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

SirMacca89 wrote:
I wonder if I can teach my rabbits to bark? Haha

I think I will give the Oxford anchor a go and get a decent chain in that case


You jest?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCI18qAoKq4
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PostPosted: 00:43 - 24 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Effin LOL!
Security sorted! That made me howl never seen that before.
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 25 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it a wooden shed? if so - are you willing to lose a couple of inches inside?

Grab some ply to line the inside with. If it's a wooden shed it's REAL easy to shimmy a couple of boards off the outside to get in. Between the shed wall and the ply, get some chicken wire and attach it to the shed frame and wherever you feel basically. Make sure you cover the entire interior though. Theives are happy to get into a shed, but if there's chicken wire/mesh, they've got to cut through all of that and still get cut up getting in Smile

Security on the bike is good, but make sure you look at access points and upgrade them. If you only have one door in/out, upgrade the hinges (nothing easier than pulling hinges off a door and then the door falls out) and upgrade any locks. try and get locks that cover their own mounting bolts Smile
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PostPosted: 14:58 - 25 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone know of a PIR alarm/light (not really bothered if attached to a light) that can send a wireless alert to a receiver in the house?

Ok, not much use outside with prowling cats/wildlife but fitted inside may be helpful.
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PostPosted: 16:09 - 25 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

KymcoRatChop wrote:
something very useful


Ah I like the idea of the chicken wire to secure it and the hinges and lock are already taken care of. Cheers for that
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PostPosted: 16:09 - 25 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something like this might work?

https://www.maplin.co.uk/compact-pir-alarm-31613
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PostPosted: 18:00 - 25 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ground anchor under the shed is just the start.

1 Renforce the door hinges with heavier ones that are bolted with round headed bolts into the door and frame.

2 put van locks on the doors, also bolted on like these https://www.amazon.co.uk/HIGH-SECURITY-PADLOCK-HASP-FIXING/dp/B003BKVTNS/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1385396715&sr=8-3&keywords=van+lock

3 sandwich the doors and frame between 1/2" plywood glued and bolted. fit the plywood on the doors before the lock hasps then use 40x40mm wood to wall around the lock hasps, also glued and bolted. This makes crowbaring the hasps off a more difficult and noisy affair.

4 On the inside of the doors chain the doors to the frame, again attach using bolts.

5 attach cheap rape alarms to the wire or chiken wire inside the shed.

6 Cameras, you need at least two. one looking out from above the shed door and a second one looking at the shed from the side. The cops like more than one view it makes identi ft ication easier even if malcreants are wearing hoodies.

7 Silent alarm on garden gates.

8 mark measurements for hight in areas cameras will pick tresspasers up, use reflective tape as it shows up on the cameras night vision, This also aids identification.

9 leave something for them to steal even if they dont bother trying to break in after seeing how secure your shed is. Why? so they can still be charged by plod. Just coming onto your property will not give plod much cause but if they nick an old socket set (for instance, easy to security mark and get prints off)

10 GPS tracker, cheap as chips or bloody expensive the choice is yours. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tracking-Vehicle-Motorcycle-Monitor-Tracker/dp/B00EKECQ7C/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1385398256&sr=8-9&keywords=gps+tracker

Now get down to BnQ and prepare to go bankrupt Smile

I have some of these but cheaper, just look up security dvr on amazon and you will see generics like this. Gets a good enough image for a conviction.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Friedland-Response-CA1-2-Channel-Recorder/dp/B003LY404E/ref=sr_1_145?ie=UTF8&qid=1385398624&sr=8-145&keywords=security+camera+dvr
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PostPosted: 21:29 - 25 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well thanks for some brilliant ideas. Will surely be putting some of them in force.
Really wish it was legal to wire the whole thing 240 that would give them a bit of a shock haha
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PostPosted: 01:02 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boozehawk wrote:
Ground anchor under the shed is just the start.

1 Renforce the door hinges with heavier ones that are bolted with round headed bolts into the door and frame.

2 put van locks on the doors, also bolted on like these https://www.amazon.co.uk/HIGH-SECURITY-PADLOCK-HASP-FIXING/dp/B003BKVTNS/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1385396715&sr=8-3&keywords=van+lock

3 sandwich the doors and frame between 1/2" plywood glued and bolted. fit the plywood on the doors before the lock hasps then use 40x40mm wood to wall around the lock hasps, also glued and bolted. This makes crowbaring the hasps off a more difficult and noisy affair.

4 On the inside of the doors chain the doors to the frame, again attach using bolts.

5 attach cheap rape alarms to the wire or chiken wire inside the shed.

6 Cameras, you need at least two. one looking out from above the shed door and a second one looking at the shed from the side. The cops like more than one view it makes identi ft ication easier even if malcreants are wearing hoodies.

7 Silent alarm on garden gates.

8 mark measurements for hight in areas cameras will pick tresspasers up, use reflective tape as it shows up on the cameras night vision, This also aids identification.

9 leave something for them to steal even if they dont bother trying to break in after seeing how secure your shed is. Why? so they can still be charged by plod. Just coming onto your property will not give plod much cause but if they nick an old socket set (for instance, easy to security mark and get prints off)

10 GPS tracker, cheap as chips or bloody expensive the choice is yours. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tracking-Vehicle-Motorcycle-Monitor-Tracker/dp/B00EKECQ7C/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1385398256&sr=8-9&keywords=gps+tracker

Now get down to BnQ and prepare to go bankrupt Smile

I have some of these but cheaper, just look up security dvr on amazon and you will see generics like this. Gets a good enough image for a conviction.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Friedland-Response-CA1-2-Channel-Recorder/dp/B003LY404E/ref=sr_1_145?ie=UTF8&qid=1385398624&sr=8-145&keywords=security+camera+dvr


That is no longer a Bike Shed mate.
What you have described is a Fallout shelter for when Hitler drops the A bomb. Rolling Eyes

And..... The more you tart up security the more it becomes attractive to scrots who believe no one would put so much security on just a spade and a wheel barrow, there must be a fancy bike in there. Smile
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PostPosted: 01:08 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That is no longer a Bike Shed mate.
What you have described is a Fallout shelter for when Hitler drops the A bomb. Rolling Eyes

And..... The more you tart up security the more it becomes attractive to scrots who believe no one would put so much security on just a spade and a wheel barrow, there must be a fancy bike in there. Smile


All done discretly of course, then build one of these https://m.instructables.com/id/Build-A-Net-Gun/

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PostPosted: 01:20 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be cautious of over-doing it around the garden particularly, a house with alarms and wires and cameras all over the gates and walls indicates something really valuable.

But within and around the shed itself i'd go all out. As mentioned almax chain through a good ground anchor [can get lots of cheap 'Y' anchors on ebay] cemented in under the base of the sheds a good'un. PIR alarm internally is brilliant linked upto your phone or similar in the house - heavily grease the surround of it though or any spiders that get inside can become an issue even with the sensitivity decreased.

Besides that so long as you remember to unplug the things a rape alarm is a good and cheap initial detereant - i've gone with an alarmed bike and disc lock in the past personally just because i dont trust myself to not forget/accidently set off the rape alarms Laughing

One thing to be aware of either way is if they DO get in the shed and disable/avoid the alarms etc - its a perfect place with the doors shut to get on with what they want to do in releative privacy, so make sure the security you put in is adequate Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 01:55 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Matt- wrote:

One thing to be aware of either way is if they DO get in the shed and disable/avoid the alarms etc - its a perfect place with the doors shut to get on with what they want to do in releative privacy, so make sure the security you put in is adequate Thumbs Up


Silly...

That's what the 'PIR triggered release' Sarin Gas canister is intended for.

I'm sure Boozhawke included it in the list of defence strategies. Confused
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