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fozzym
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Last Time I Use A Torque Wrench! .......Update...... Reply with quote

Bloody nora Twisted Evil

I've only gone and broken the bottom yoke when I was doing up the clamp bolts.....using a flippin torque wrench!
I don't often use a torque wrench but thought that as the forks staying in the yokes is fairly safety critical I'd do the bolts up to the book specs 20nm.

I've had the forks out to do the seals. Popped the left fork in and nipped the bolts up then torqued them, smashing no probs. Did the same on the right side and crack, the clamp bit literally sheared.

Bloody Hell Evil or Very Mad

Oh well I've managed to pick up a bottom yoke ass on ebay for 18 quid so not too bad. I'm more pissed because I wanted to get the bike back together today.

Balls to using a torque wrench in the future!

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PostPosted: 16:38 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do you need a torque wrench for. Two grunts and a groan is always right.
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PostPosted: 16:38 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Re: Last Time I Use A Torgue Wrench! Reply with quote

fozzym wrote:
Balls to using a cheap and/or uncalibrated torque wrench in the future!


FTFY Thumbs Up .

They aren't an alternative to common sense. If it feels too tight, stop. If it didn't feel too tight then the bolt was probably stretched to death to begin with, better it fails now.
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PostPosted: 16:50 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snap on wrench, as used in my father inlaws prof garage so in tip top condition.

I think the yoke was probably fooked so yes better it failed today than the next time I popped the front wheel up!

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PostPosted: 16:53 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've snapped bolts with a torque wrench on low settings - 15nm if I remember correctly.
Bolts were made of cheese and didn't feel tight at all. Just went 'pink' and the heads came off.
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PostPosted: 17:14 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd suggest there was something horribly wrong with your bottom yoke if the clamp split without both hands on the wrench and the veins popping out on your forehead.

I'd fully expect either the thread to strip or the bolt to snap before the clamp itself let go.

There was almost certainly a flaw or hairline crack in the casting, either from new or from a frontal impact at some point in the past.

Lucky it didn't happen while you were riding it really.
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PostPosted: 17:21 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I'd suggest there was something horribly wrong with your bottom yoke if the clamp split without both hands on the wrench and the veins popping out on your forehead.

I'd fully expect either the thread to strip or the bolt to snap before the clamp itself let go.


Absolutely this.
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PostPosted: 17:30 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

even a snap on needs to be calibrated now and then
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Couple of photos.
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe it was a defect in the casting?

i would have thought the bolts would strip first on most yokes before the yoke cracks.

has the bike ever been in an accident?
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PostPosted: 17:49 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
There was almost certainly a flaw or hairline crack in the casting

yampug wrote:
maybe it was a defect in the casting?

stinkwheel wrote:
I'd fully expect either the thread to strip or the bolt to snap before the clamp itself let go.

yampug wrote:
i would have thought the bolts would strip first on most yokes before the yoke cracks.

stinkwheel wrote:
... or from a frontal impact at some point in the past.

yampug wrote:
has the bike ever been in an accident?


Just saying...
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PostPosted: 18:29 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

covent.gardens wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:
There was almost certainly a flaw or hairline crack in the casting

yampug wrote:
maybe it was a defect in the casting?

stinkwheel wrote:
I'd fully expect either the thread to strip or the bolt to snap before the clamp itself let go.

yampug wrote:
i would have thought the bolts would strip first on most yokes before the yoke cracks.

stinkwheel wrote:
... or from a frontal impact at some point in the past.

yampug wrote:
has the bike ever been in an accident?


Just saying...


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PostPosted: 18:30 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Re: Last Time I Use A Torgue Wrench! Reply with quote

fozzym wrote:
Last Time I Use A Torgue Wrench!


You should bee using a TORQUE wrench.....

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PostPosted: 18:33 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

yampug wrote:
that'll teach me to copy other people's posts.

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PostPosted: 18:42 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

MattHirst wrote:
Torque wrenches shouldn't be used with extensions either. Think of it like this, try undoing a screw with a stubby screwdriver and then the same one with a much longer screwdriver, which is easiest? Smile


U WOT?

Spurious advice or you talking about twist in the extension affecting the torque?
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

fozzym wrote:
Couple of photos.



Jeez, I misread it as the bolt snapping Shocked .

That thing was knackered before you got to it, torque wrench might just have saved your life Surprised .
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

MattHirst wrote:
Torque wrenches shouldn't be used with extensions either. Think of it like this, try undoing a screw with a stubby screwdriver and then the same one with a much longer screwdriver, which is easiest? Smile


don't fucking start that shit again, the only reason the longer shanked screwdriver would be easier is because its much easier to get purchase on the screwdriver. If they both have the same handle size then they will both impart the same torque from your turning action.

This is also why wrapping a towel around a screwdriver can sometimes allow you to undo something you otherwise couldn't as it makes the effective handle bigger, allowing you to produce more torque for the same turning action, this is why precision screwdrivers have tiny handles and big screwdrivers have big handles.

Otherwise we'd all have the same size ergonomic handles with 14 foot long shanks.

the only reason its not a good idea to put an extension bar on a torque wrench is because its harder to keep the torque wrench inline with the bolt, as soon as it is pulled off centre by you trying to torque the bolt up, it changes the amount of force put on the bolt vs read by the torque wrench.

Anyway back on topic as has been said, snapped bolt rounded head manufacturning defect yada yada, glad you got it sorted for cheap and even more grateful it didn't let go the next time you hit a bump doing 60 down the motorway!
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PostPosted: 20:53 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I'd suggest there was something horribly wrong with your bottom yoke if the clamp split without both hands on the wrench and the veins popping out on your forehead.

I've seen a yoke snap when someone misread the scale on the torque wrench and was going for around 100nm rather than 10nm.

It snapped a good bit before 100nm I think (but can't really know).

I've snapped an NSR yoke many years ago without a torque wrench, but with using on those allen key holders that also acts as a handle.
I don't think it was any bigger than the size of my hand.

Due to the nature of them, many do seem to snap quite easily.
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Torque wrench - why? You always know when something is tight enough. It comes with practice. Have got a pretty reasonable Clarke one but haven't used it in years. Not necessary. With a ratchet or spanner it becomes obvious when a nut/bolt is just right.
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

MattHirst wrote:
Torque wrenches shouldn't be used with extensions either. Think of it like this, try undoing a screw with a stubby screwdriver and then the same one with a much longer screwdriver, which is easiest? Smile


Stubby?
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PostPosted: 21:50 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've lost track of the number of times that I've recommended using a deflecting beam torque wrench as an assistance to Mk 1 Mechanical Sympathy.

https://www.parktool.com/uploads/images/blog/repair_help/tw5.jpg

[UPDATE] It's 5 times.

[UPDATE to the UPDATE] 6 now.
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PostPosted: 21:51 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like there were some old cracks in the casting although the majority is fresh, I have highlighted them but would need to look under a microscope to be sure.
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PostPosted: 22:01 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

fozzym wrote:
Couple of photos.


Jesus. Just looked over the photos again and you were going some to do that.
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