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CaNsA
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 30 Nov 2013    Post subject: Can I use a drill to.... Reply with quote

break my old chain?

Decent drill, decent drill bits.
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PostPosted: 13:33 - 30 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, but wouldn't a hacksaw be easier?
The best way of drilling a rivet out (off the top of my head) would be to use a punch to make a locating mark, so the drill bit has got somewhere to sit, instead of skating around.
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 30 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You mean you've asked for help before trying to tackle something with a power tool? I bet you read the drill instructions before use too!
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PostPosted: 14:10 - 30 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you have a decent drill why not get an angle grinder cutting tool? Certainly going to be much easier than used a drill bit
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PostPosted: 14:37 - 30 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It'd be a sod.

In the absence of a chain breaker tool, I'd just push a couple of pins through using a big set of mole grips with an M6 nut over one ond of the pin or, as said, hacksaw it.

How you fitting the new one if you don't have a chain tool? You going to use the fail-link?
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PostPosted: 15:26 - 30 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have used one of these in the past... it takes a little time but works...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/171045068448?limghlpsr=true&lpid=102&device=c&adtype=pla&crdt=0&ff3=1&ff11=ICEP3.0.0&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=102

grind off rivet heads...
once flush with the side plated leaver off wit small screwdriver.
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 30 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cut a drill off so it's an appropriate sized punch, then hit the other side really hard?

Surely you would just use your angle grinder?

If you've leant them out and the like, you could consider one of the grinding discs you can get for drills.

Or just a saw.
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 30 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most rivet links are soft and can be ground off pretty easily. I generally use a dremel or similar. If you want to use the drill then I have some die grinder stones that you can try?

https://i.ebayimg.com/t/5-Piece-1-4-Inch-Shank-Mounted-Stone-Grinding-Polish-Set-Die-Grinder-or-Drill-/00/s/NTYzWDc1MA==/$(KGrHqRHJFMFDVT5sSN8BQ-Dphynvg~~60_35.JPG


B&Q etc do an angle grinder for less than £15 and Aldi currently have an electric file that is reduced to £15 by me.

https://www.aldi.co.uk/fileadmin/fm-dam/products/product_photos/Specialbuys_2013/W43/Thursday/W4313_PD_Thursday_22.jpg
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PostPosted: 15:59 - 30 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ichy wrote:
£15 and Aldi currently have an electric file that is reduced to £15 by me.

Can't you reduce it some more? Razz

Anyway - do you happen to know how such would work for smoothing out the seam in a 2" ID welded steel tube?
Not that long a section, but need it to be smooth inside.

(Yes, I would have preferred to get rolled, but it was hard enough to find this and when I did I got1.3m or so for a fiver, so can't complain Smile ).
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PostPosted: 16:04 - 30 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's possible but will take time. I have used an air powered version at work to grind out spot welds or to shape welds used as filler on damaged panels. I'd still prefer to use a die grinder for the tube.
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PostPosted: 16:31 - 30 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ta.
That was my original plan, but will have to get/dig out an extension.
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PostPosted: 16:51 - 30 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I havent read much after N.E's post.

Anyways, i used an old flat blade screwy and a hammer to prise the link plate over one of the softlink rivets, then used the chain tool to push the rivet out.

New sprockets are on, which is cool, but the chain is being a complete ballache.

The chain tool just isnt doing its thing that it needs to do to the rivet.

I'm thinking that if i file the lip of the punch to an angle it should spread the rivet head right?

https://i.imgur.com/mC892BB.png
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 30 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it a flat rivet designed to be peened rather than a hollow one?

If so, no. I've bent the thick shaft of such a tool* trying to rivet a solid one.

*Oo, err misus an' that.
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PostPosted: 17:09 - 30 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

the first few mm are hollow.

I tried the smaller punch first just to start it off, but that bent then snapped :/
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PostPosted: 17:13 - 30 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's the right type of chain tool, then.
I've never had an issue with the, used on the correct links, so couldn't comment.
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PostPosted: 17:16 - 30 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Angle grind off, mole grip the two new together with a punch to spread the soft link. Have a hammer behind the soft link so you have something to hit against.
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PostPosted: 17:20 - 30 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's no reason a chain tool won't work if it's used properly.The different sized punches are for different sized chains.The punch will only have broke because it was too small for the chain.Use the larger punch and it should be fine. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:25 - 30 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

sprintster wrote:
There's no reason a chain tool won't work if it's used properly.The different sized punches are for different sized chains.The punch will only have broke because it was too small for the chain.Use the larger punch and it should be fine. Thumbs Up


The largest punch is the one shown in the pic that i am thinking about filing the lip to a 45 degree angle.
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PostPosted: 18:38 - 30 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you've got your chain tool 180 degrees out.

Unless I've been doing them wrong for a long time, you wind the pin back in. The bit to the left of your picture goes behind the fixed part of the split link. You screw the course thread down so it sits over the hollow end of the pin then screw the fine thread down so the pin makes contact with the hollow. Now get a spanner on the fine thread and give it another turn or two and it should roll out the ends of the split link.

You can see it here in this picture I googled, you can see the marks where the outer part of the chain tool was screwed down against the sideplate too.
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PostPosted: 18:50 - 30 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mole grips with a m6 nut


then


Hammer/hard thing behind chain, centre punch and small hammer, finish the job so the rivet is mushroomed.



Ain't no-body got time to buy a chain riveter.
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PostPosted: 20:44 - 30 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I think you've got your chain tool 180 degrees out.


nopes, the punch was on the side that needs to be 'shroomed
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PostPosted: 22:53 - 30 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
I tried the smaller punch first just to start it off, but that bent then snapped :/

If I'm understanding your post correctly and you have sent the inner part of the tool into play without the outer part being in place against the chain's sideplate then it's hardly surprising that it has become damaged.
As Stinky posted, the outer part of the tool needs to be in place against the sideplate before attempting to peen/spread the tail of the rivet with the inner part of the tool.
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PostPosted: 22:58 - 30 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has the link got a hole in the end or is it solid? I've never managed to get a solid link to work properly, only the hollow 'soft' ended DID style ones.
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