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PostPosted: 01:33 - 22 Dec 2004    Post subject: CBR 125 Reply with quote

I Know everybody is sick of hearing this question but does anybody know the top speed of a CBR 125 ???
Anybody who has got one please let me know how fast you have gone on it. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 01:46 - 22 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

80mph, maybe 85 down hill with a tail wind.

Remember speedo's lie! 4 stroke 125 single won't do more than 80 on a flat road in good conditions.
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PostPosted: 01:47 - 22 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

mind and take off about 5mph from people's answers, as the speedo will over-read.

You'd be looking at a realistic speed of about 74mph I reckon, although I don't know if you'd want to ride about all the time at that speed, the engine wouldn't thank you for it.
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PostPosted: 03:30 - 22 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want a 4 stroke you'd be best off going for something like an old CG IMO.
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PostPosted: 08:53 - 22 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

The old cb125 was actually faster than the CBR, if you get one that hasn't been restricted I believe.
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PostPosted: 09:09 - 22 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clock reads 75mph on mine, and thats at 10,750rpm. Probably a bit more if you take it in the red, but I never have. If you go onto www.125ccsportsbike.com a few others reckon they have had 80mph, but that's probably going downhill.
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PostPosted: 09:53 - 22 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

My cbr125 does (did) 82mph on a flat road with no wind. Confirmed by the others i was riding with. The clock said 85 so it's a bit off.
It's a kinda slow bike but i love it. It stays steady and hasn't got the "bee in a bucket" noise that the 2 stroke 125's have.
(no offence to all the 2 stroke riders i just don't like the sound)
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PostPosted: 10:08 - 22 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quite a few exhaust companies are making performance cans for this bike as well now. Over at the 125 sports bikes website the admin there sells an "Endurance" system which improves top end a bit, but apparantly improves the slowness of acceleration in about 3rd or 4th gear. Micron make two sets, one is just an end can, I have a video of it on here somewhere and then they have the underseat system, which is a full kit including down pipes etc. Which improves top end...a little.

Quite a few modifications that you can make to this bike now, however you will never realistically ever get near the 90MPH mark. Although some naive little child from 125 Sports bikes believed that the CBR was restricted and that he has got his to go 100MPH. That is not true, he says he changed the CDI's or something.

Some people have also been tinkering with the extremely narrow tyres on the CBR and some have been fitting 120s on the rear of it, just to make it look a bit more meaty. In my opinion Honda were wrong to put this in the "Supersports" catagory as it would never keep up with a 2T. However don't be listening to the people who say it is a CG with a fairing. It uses a completely different engine system. Smile
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PostPosted: 10:08 - 22 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

wildcat wrote:
It's a kinda slow bike but i love it. It stays steady and hasn't got the "bee in a bucket" noise that the 2 stroke 125's have.
(no offence to all the 2 stroke riders i just don't like the sound)


Right on! 4T singles at high revs sound nothing less than mental. Also, they don't stink of 2 stroke. Embarassed 82mph sounds very fast flat speed on a 125 4 stroke. I suppose the CBRs are going to weigh less and be more streamline though. I shouldn't imagine you'd want to hold this for any length of time. Imagine that though, a 125 4t that can handle motorway speeds - smooth. Smile
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 22 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

askew wrote:
Imagine that though, a 125 4t that can handle motorway speeds - smooth. Smile


The 1977 CB125T (air cooled 4-stroke twin) would sit at 70mph all day long. It had a higher top speed than the CB250G5 from the same era. Not learner legal though, 16bhp.
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PostPosted: 12:21 - 22 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaFrostyOne wrote:
80mph, maybe 85 down hill with a tail wind.

Remember speedo's lie! 4 stroke 125 single won't do more than 80 on a flat road in good conditions.


For top end this is spot on as most of the mods you can do, cdi, gearing, exhaust system (the best i think is the remus full race system) will not really affect top end but help with acceleration as it is restricted to a certain degree also i don't think anyone yet knows what sort of long term effects they'll all have on the engine.
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PostPosted: 13:50 - 22 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
The 1977 CB125T (air cooled 4-stroke twin) would sit at 70mph all day long. It had a higher top speed than the CB250G5 from the same era. Not learner legal though, 16bhp.


Should be legal as it was registered before the 12hp limit came in.

All the best

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PostPosted: 14:02 - 22 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought they had to be retro-actively restricted.

Probably makes under 15hp at the rear wheel if you put it on a dyno though, sotechnically should be ok anyway.
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PostPosted: 14:04 - 22 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is a twin though, not a single - so slightly different. Does anyone make 125 twins anymore or is it strictly old-school, late 70s, early 80s, used in battlestar galacticar as a flyabike styled 125s that use them?
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PostPosted: 14:32 - 22 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

They still make the CB125 T in some odd country - ask meyrick where he got his from.

Your about to join the CB125 appreciation society Cool
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 22 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

125 twins are made, mostly for cruisers, to emulate the big-cruiser v twin styling.

However they tend to make even less power than their single cylinder counterparts, so best avoided.
One did also make it's way into the 125 Varadero (best avoided, if the stats are anything to go by).
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PostPosted: 15:26 - 22 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a CB125T twin, the thing wasnt restricted in any way, which was nice! Smile

It would pull top gear at about 15 mph, top speed of 75mph, maximum cruising speed 60. I was just in top gear the whole time on it, so i dropped a few teeth on the rear sprocket...allright i drops alot Laughing 42 down to a 37. made 4th gear like my 5th used to be, and made 5th like an overdrive. The speedo only went up to 85, but i was getting past dual carragieway traffic at quite a rate so perhaps i might have been going as high as 90 Shocked
It required a big hill to get up to speed, but stayed there once it was in the meaty bit of 5th gear Smile

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OMG it has a powerband!

even sounded like a 2 stroke when i thrashed it.
Sadly i kinda killed it, great learner bike though throughly recommended! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:02 - 22 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
I thought they had to be retro-actively restricted.

Probably makes under 15hp at the rear wheel if you put it on a dyno though, sotechnically should be ok anyway.


No, the 12hp / 9kW law only applied to bikes registered after the introduction (cannot remember the exact date), so it was perfectly legal for a learner to ride round on a 16hp CB125T or the RD125DX registered prior to the change in the law.

Honda replaced the full power CB125T with the restricted CB125TDC. These still revved quite high but only had 12hp or so and were quite heavy (they had an electric start, unlike the CB125T). Certainly will not do more than 75 on the flat.

Same as with mopeds, where they are still 16er legal if registered before a certain date (1977?) and fitted with pedals as long as they are under 50cc, irrespective of the performance.

Charlotte had a full power CB125T. It snapped a con rod which somewhat killed the engine. Prior to that it was OK. Would do a bit over 80, but a derestricted 2 stroke 125 would leave it for dead.

There used to be quite a few 125 twins, made by people such as Benelli, Yamaha, Honda and Suzuki, but they all died out. Suspect cost had a lot to do with it. At one time even Triumph made a 125 2 stroke twin (under licence).

All the best

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PostPosted: 17:21 - 22 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hear Suzuki GS125's are good for 70-75.
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PostPosted: 18:40 - 22 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I allways thought the learner legal HP was 14.6hp not 12
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PostPosted: 18:44 - 22 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was 12hp a few years ago, now 14.whatever.
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 22 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrchips wrote:
I hear Suzuki GS125's are good for 70-75.

indicated that is!! i think the real speed is 65mph tops.
i dont understand how the cbr can go 10mph faster....if its still a cg engine! where does the extra speed come from, considering its heavier than both gs and cg? Confused
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PostPosted: 21:58 - 22 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

As mentioned above, I believe, it is not a CG engine, it is a more advanced engine. They could have made an engine that makes more power probably, but it was made to be below the 15hp limit.
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PostPosted: 22:03 - 22 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

From Honda website...
CBR125R: -
Liquid-cooled 4-stroke 2-valve SOHC single

CG125: -
Air-cooled 4-stroke OHV single cylinder
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PostPosted: 23:46 - 22 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

the UK had a 9kW learner limit from about 1982, but this was increased to an 11kW limit a couple of years ago to bring it into line with other European countries.

The CBR engine is very different from the CG engine, more different than a 600 Bandit engine compared to a GSXR600.

All the best

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