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Seigi
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 16 Dec 2013    Post subject: Conflicting advice with roundabouts Reply with quote

When using a roundabout, if going for a "3 o'clock" exit, (i.e. turning right), I go into inside lane, follow the roundabout round then after the exit before my exit I move into the outside lane whilst indicating that I'm turning off then turn off into my exit.

Is this right? Or should I just stay in the inside lane for the entire time? I feel like moving across to the outside lane is better because it blocks off anyone trying to cut you up, but then I watch videos/look at pictures and it shows them just turning off from the inside lane (which to me seems stupid),

This is assuming exit lane is single lane

Thanks for any feedback.
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 16 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're supposed to stay over. Moving on a roundabout like that is more dangerous as it's unexpected. However, the lifesaver you do before leaving the roundabout is supposed to check for a car in the outside lane. Really if you're coming around the roundabout people should give way to you. If they don't then you need to be aware that they have joined the roundabout in the outside lane and by checking mirrors and doing lifesavers you'll stop any possible incident from occurring.
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 16 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

This applies to a 2 lane, roundabout.

Turning left, left lane
Straight on, left or right lane
turning right, right lane.
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 16 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're doing right, although it does kinda depend on the size of the roundabout. On big roundabouts move across once you're past the last exit before yours. On smaller ones you may not have enough time and the moving across and exiting are simultaneous.

I don't know what MarJay is thinking - stay on the inside all the way and then at the last second cut across the outside lane? That's a great way to get splatted by someone cutting up the inside even if you do a lifesaver.
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 16 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

As long as there aren't traffic lights and/or lanes to show you where to be for your exit, then it doesn't really matter; as Jay said there shouldn't be anyone there.

https://www.the-instructor.com/160_roundabout.gif

The red car going to the exit at the top could have been further left, so as the blue car pulled off red was in the left lane - but it wouldn't matter as there should not be anyone there.

Standard highway code clause; I put "SHOULD NOT" for a reason, assume there is always someone there Very Happy
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 16 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

daemonoid wrote:
You're doing right, although it does kinda depend on the size of the roundabout. On big roundabouts move across once you're past the last exit before yours. On smaller ones you may not have enough time and the moving across and exiting are simultaneous.

I don't know what MarJay is thinking - stay on the inside all the way and then at the last second cut across the outside lane? That's a great way to get splatted by someone cutting up the inside even if you do a lifesaver.


I'm thinking about a medium sized normal roundabout. Not a cyclic motorway junction or anything. You don't cut across into the outside lane, you go over the outside lane, and (looking from where you started) no one should come from the left or straight on. You check mirrors and do a lifesaver before you do so.

On a large motorway roundabout the procedure is different, but they have lanes that move outwards as you go past each exit, so you're following a lane rather than staying to one side.
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 16 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 13:32 - 16 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
This applies to a 2 lane, roundabout.

Turning left, left lane
Straight on, left or right lane
turning right, right lane.


The question at hand involves the procedure after this bit in bold Very Happy
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PostPosted: 13:32 - 16 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are four different instruction sets to be on the lookout for. You follow them in the following order of importance:


    * Temporary roadworks / new signs that override old ones (this one's obvious)
    * Road signs showing your exit
    * Painted arrows on the ground
    * Angle of your exit road, from your entry position


Your road sign might paint a different picture than the roundabout layout; it might tell you that your "3 o'clock" is actually a twelve and you need to stay in the left lane for that, so check your signs first.

If your exit is 3 o'clock, you move into the right hand lane, then indicate left as you pass the penultimate exit before your exit. As you pass that penultimate exit, that is when you perform your lifesaver and move over to the left in order to "block off" others from entering the roundabout.

Remember, don't move AS you are doing your lifesaver. Literally perform your lifesaver and THEN move, don't commit yourself until you have done this. Don't even tilt your bike to move until you have done your check, so if some nob in an audi or bmw has undertaken you, you can just keep going around the roundabout and try again - or if you're on a bigger bike, extremely easily out-accelerate him when turning off to reclaim your position.

Your next check is painted markings on the road surface. It'll usually show you a right arrow in the very right lane, but it may not, so this is your second check to put your mind at ease.

Finally, say there's no sign or road markings. At this point, if your exit road is exactly straight ahead of your entrance to the rounadabout, you use the left lane - NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. If it's your 1 o'clock, it's the right lane as anything past 12 o'clock is a right hand turn.

I have a roundabout near me where the exit is at 1 o'clock, but the roundabout sign draws it as straight ahead. You follow the instructions in the order I described above: roundabout sign first. Of course, use your common sense as well Wink
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 16 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doovy wrote:
CaNsA wrote:
This applies to a 2 lane, roundabout.

Turning left, left lane
Straight on, left or right lane
turning right, right lane.


The question at hand involves the procedure after this bit in bold Very Happy

yeah...?
enters the round about in the right hand lane,
goes round the roundabout in the right hand land,
exits into the right hand lane.
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PostPosted: 13:46 - 16 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:

enters the round about in the right hand lane,
goes round the roundabout in the right hand land,
exits into the right hand lane.


Seigi wrote:
This is assuming exit lane is single lane

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PostPosted: 13:50 - 16 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

tbourner wrote:
CaNsA wrote:

enters the round about in the right hand lane,
goes round the roundabout in the right hand land,
exits into the right hand lane.


Seigi wrote:
This is assuming exit lane is single lane


The op would obviously exit into the lane then....
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 16 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
The op would obviously exit into the lane then....



Right! You've made me break out paint now Rolling Eyes


https://i41.tinypic.com/de2n7m.jpg


Red or green?
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PostPosted: 13:59 - 16 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Red.
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 16 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

tbourner wrote:
CaNsA wrote:
The op would obviously exit into the lane then....



Right! You've made me break out paint now Rolling Eyes


https://i41.tinypic.com/de2n7m.jpg


Red or green?


Down the middle of the two, no big over emphasised movements like your lines show.

Lifesaver after the 2nd exit and then straight line for the exit
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 16 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
Red.


I'd do red but on the test I suspect that green would be the one that they'd be after seeing you perform.
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PostPosted: 14:07 - 16 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is what I would do, and did on my test and what I do everyday on the bike and in the car
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PostPosted: 14:08 - 16 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the off camber roundabout of doom that i use everyday.
A mix of single and 2 lane exits.
I enter from the right lane of a 2 lane road, right lane all the way round, and exit into the single lane.

On the very rare occasions i am forced to use the left lane i've had to slam on due to people pulling out on me at the green circled bit.

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PostPosted: 14:14 - 16 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 14:15 - 16 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
I'm thinking about a medium sized normal roundabout. Not a cyclic motorway junction or anything. You don't cut across into the outside lane, you go over the outside lane, and (looking from where you started) no one should come from the left or straight on. You check mirrors and do a lifesaver before you do so.

On a large motorway roundabout the procedure is different, but they have lanes that move outwards as you go past each exit, so you're following a lane rather than staying to one side.


So basically we're saying the same thing but it sounds like we disagree as we're explaining it differently.

At some point after the exit before yours you blend/cut/move across the inside lane dependant on what feels safest and the size of the roundabout.

All sorted OP... use your judgement and do what feels right Smile
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 16 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

This was always a fun one the first time you used it as you could go clockwise or anticlockwise round the large roundabout but scattered with mini roundabouts as you go.

https://www.wetndryboardsports.com/images/uploaded-images/000000map2.jpg

All just lands and traffic lights now.
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 16 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

On a bike?

The answer is: it depends on the roundabout and the traffic.

If there's no traffic, it doesn't matter as you can't cause another road user to change speed or direction.

If there's other traffic, you have to negotiate with it. Indicate as soon as it's unambiguous, big obvious lifesaver, heck, give a hand signal for giggles. But if there's something lurking in the outside lane (particularly a van, minicab, 4x4 or Micra), consider just riding around again rather than cutting across it, particularly on test.
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PostPosted: 22:13 - 16 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was always under the impression moving across to the outside lane before exiting would be the best option as it stops anyone from trying to cut you up, by taking control of the lane. I did this on my mod 2 and passed with only 1 minor, so either the instructor didn't give a shit or I was doing something right ;p

The only reason I questioned it was recently I was watching a DSA video and they turned off from the inside lane, straight across the outside lane, as Cansa would do.

(The 1 minor was not indicating on a spiral roundabout when taking the first exit, which I didn't realise you had to do, I thought since spiral roundabouts are laned then no indication was necessary Thinking)
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 16 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tend to vary my positioning depending on how busy the roundabout is. Mind you I often go round twice, once with a nice lean angle and the second time with more attention to my exit! A word of caution - I was confronted by a girl in a car going the wrong way!! Beware of tight roundabouts - if you did meet the girl in question, you would not know until you hit her!
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PostPosted: 22:31 - 16 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You gotta pay attention to your surroundings.
Watch whats on your left as you pass the exit before the one you are coming off at.
Make eye contact with the people that are at the entrance before the exit you are taking.
Be prepared to stop, but dont go so slow that people think "i can make it" and pull out on you.
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