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PostPosted: 21:46 - 21 Dec 2013    Post subject: garden chimnea for indoor use? Reply with quote

What do you thunk? I have an open hearth but just got an electric stove-a-like in it. Getting the flue lined for a proper stove and the stove and plate etc can cost min £1000 ( but with the stove that I really want more like £1600 ), a garden chimnea min £49.99.
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PostPosted: 21:50 - 21 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 21:51 - 21 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see how it would be better than the open hearth.
You can burn stoves (like ours) with the doors open but the output is just like an open fire - much reduced.
The garden thing would be the same - probably not dangerous if careful and you could use it outside later.
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PostPosted: 22:33 - 21 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you intend to seal the chimney of the chiminea to the flue or do you plan to simply sit it in the open hearth?
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PostPosted: 22:53 - 21 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was thinking just going to sit it in the hearth. The chimney of the chiminea would be in the flue. If it's not cheap and easy, I'm not interested.
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PostPosted: 23:04 - 21 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can get home brew jobs made from calor gas bottles, very effective if they're made well. Available on ebay...
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PostPosted: 23:09 - 21 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure that the flue would draw the smoke/gases efficiently if it wasn't sealed to the chiminea's chimney. You may end up with a room full of smoke.
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PostPosted: 00:50 - 22 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raffles wrote:
I'm not sure that the flue would draw the smoke/gases efficiently if it wasn't sealed to the chiminea's chimney. You may end up with a room full of smoke.


It would work a treat as the chimney works on a convection principle (hot gas/liquid rises).

It would probably work better as there would be a venturi effect from the smaller chimnea pipe in the larger chimney opening.


Sounds like a plan.

Our chimnea eats wood like a mad-man so we'd need a large pile of wood in the living room. Or maybe I spoil him by feeding it too much. Tip: Never follow instructions with garden stuff.

They'll burn soft coal which lasts longer but anthracite (smokeless coal) burns at a very high temp which will melt the stove. Sad

If you don't try it you won't fail. (That's a sort of Proverb I think.)

Bucket of water handy in case the chimney and chimnea don't get along. Embarassed
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PostPosted: 02:33 - 22 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You try it first Walloper, seeing as though you have one. If you survive, I might consider getting one while they are cheap Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 04:14 - 22 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

can't you just fit some kind of extractor fan in the flue?
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PostPosted: 10:25 - 22 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

ever tried taking the lid of one when they are lit


i did


i set fire to some trees as i got a ten foot tall flame Embarassed


now thinking ten foot tall flame inside a un lined chimney wont be a good thing

and leave the lid on half the smoke comes out the front
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 22 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

andyscooter wrote:
now thinking ten foot tall flame inside a un lined chimney wont be a good thing

and leave the lid on half the smoke comes out the front



If you leave the lid on indoors, then smoke is the last thing I'd be worrying about. It'll be an uber efficient Carbon Monoxide generator, even when it just looks like smouldering ashes that look nice and "will keep the room nice and warm".

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PostPosted: 11:41 - 22 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

mr jamez wrote:
You can get home brew jobs made from calor gas bottles, very effective if they're made well. Available on ebay...



My husband makes them. Just finished 2 this weekend......... (the big one in the background of the second pic is his own, the 2 smaller ones are the new ones)

After grinding and welding finished but before final tweaking:

https://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a229/Yambabe/2013-12-20153718.jpg

Now with painted legs, added door handle, smoothed top and having a test-fire to burn off the original paint:

https://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a229/Yambabe/2013-12-21141417.jpg
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PostPosted: 11:44 - 22 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

With the right fuel they put out a lot of heat btw.

The big one is easily 10ft tall to the top of the chimney and even a relatively small amount of chipboard ( he usually gets old kitchen units out of skips) will see flames shooting out of the top and the whole thing glowing red.

I wouldn't recommend using one with an unlined flue!
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PostPosted: 12:03 - 22 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

andyscooter wrote:
ever tried taking the lid of one when they are lit


i did


i set fire to some trees as i got a ten foot tall flame Embarassed


now thinking ten foot tall flame inside a un lined chimney wont be a good thing

and leave the lid on half the smoke comes out the front


You canny run a fire with the lid on man... Shocked

It also says in the Destructions that come with them Not to Put wood in through the top.
I jam the fcuker full and soon have it glowing Cherry Red. Very Happy


OP We have a big Inglenook Fireplace I could easy-peasy jam the Chimnea in but she'd go ballistic if she saw/learned that Arseface had the Chimnea in the Hoose. Sad

What does an unlined chimney mean anyway? I understood a chimney is a chimney or is it just a 'ventilation duct' to the roof you have? If this is the case then do not suff a heat source under it. Shocked

If it has previously had a solid fuel fire under it then it may have to be swept before use. Or if the masonry has failed then that would have to be repaired before putting it back into service.

Many a house was brought down by chimney fires.
Normally it's due to built up soot catching light and then it falls down into the room. The soot can contain large quantities of tar if certain pine type wood is used as fuel. It can ignite if the hot gasses become hot enough to light it.

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PostPosted: 12:19 - 22 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:


What does an unlined chimney mean anyway? I understood a chimney is a chimney or is it just a 'ventilation duct' to the roof you have? If this is the case then do not suff a heat source under it. Shocked



As I understand it (and I may be wrong) chimneys were designed to have open fires at the bottom of them, and to draw up the smoke, gases and some of the heat and pass it safely into the atmosphere.

Most of the fires would have been coal or wood, which don't usually generate a face-melting amount of heat.

Modern wood-burners work much more efficiently and there is a much greater amount of heat given off. Some old chimneys will be fine with this, some can't cope with it and will crack, melt, burn etc unless you give them a decent heatproof lining. We had to get the bottom of ours lined when we put the living-flame gas fire in.

Depends on the heat output of the device you intend to run and the individual chimney I think?
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PostPosted: 12:23 - 22 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

yambabe wrote:
mr jamez wrote:
You can get home brew jobs made from calor gas bottles, very effective if they're made well. Available on ebay...



My husband makes them. Just finished 2 this weekend......... (the big one in the background of the second pic is his own, the 2 smaller ones are the new ones)

After grinding and welding finished but before final tweaking:

https://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a229/Yambabe/2013-12-20153718.jpg

Now with painted legs, added door handle, smoothed top and having a test-fire to burn off the original paint:

https://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a229/Yambabe/2013-12-21141417.jpg


Sorry to rain on your parade/Chimnea. Very Happy

But they look well unstable and easy to knock over.
Full of fire they'd be a hoot as they topple. Razz

Can I suggest the legs are made much wider at the base.

Not being a Safety Nazi but only a concerned voice. Karma

Edit:

A chimney Liner is a flexible pipe to direct hot gasses from a fire to the roof. It prevents leakage to the chimney. It is an upgrade if you like to an existing chimney.

https://www.stovefittersmanual.co.uk/articles/flue-liner/

Energies of Solid Fuel:

Anthracite (Smokeless Coal) 32,500 - 34,000 KJ/Kg
Wood (dry) 14,400 - 17,400 KJ/Kg

e.g. You can run a train on wood or coal (or gas or oil) but coal is preferred as it burns hotter for longer.
Wood fires need continual topping up where as the same size hearth a coal fire will run for hours on one fill/load.

One benefit of wood over coal is that wood will burn as well on top of old ashes where as coal needs more air/ventilation/draft under it to promote combustion so it needs to be cleaned out from time to time.
You don't need to clean out a wood fire as much and the ash is generally like talcum powder/dust.
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PostPosted: 12:33 - 22 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It might be an idea to read up a little about different classes of chimneys before you dive in. There's loads of info out there. For instance:-
https://www.bemodern.co.uk/information/understanding-your-chimney
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 22 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:


Sorry to rain on your parade/Chimnea. Very Happy

But they look well unstable and easy to knock over.
Full of fire they'd be a hoot as they topple. Razz

Can I suggest the legs are made much wider at the base.

Not being a Safety Nazi but only a concerned voice. Karma


They do look unstable, but we have never had one go over in the 10-ish years he has been making them for now....... Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 22 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go for the full-pikey half oil drum with a load of holes drilled round it. Then you can stand next to it wearing fingerless gloves and warm your hands.

A chiminea has an open front. A wood burning stove has a door you can close down.

Given the combined lengths of the chimneys involved, I suspect if they both start drawing in a good blow, you'd have a recipe for a chimney fire.

With a proper wood stove, you get it going then shut the front down to limit the amount of air it can draw through. If I left the door of mine open I'd burn shitloads of wood and the heat would all go up the chimney. A simple open grate would be better.
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PostPosted: 15:36 - 22 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Go for the full-pikey half oil drum with a load of holes drilled round it. Then you can stand next to it wearing fingerless gloves and warm your hands.


Awe you mean a 'Wood Burning Stove'?

A lot of Posh Folks put them in their houses. Show-Offs. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 16:10 - 22 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's probably doable, but I'd have a few reservations about using a chimnea inside.

From a practical aspect, I'm not sure you'd be able to make a fire big enough to heat much of a room; or if you did, how well the chimnea would respond to it. Remember most chimneas are only designed to burn 2 or 3 small logs. I'd also question the durability, bearing in mind they are generally used for occasional parties etc, rather than a permanent heater.

Not sure about how safe it would be, but it's gonna be an uncontrollable open fire feeding into an unsealed flue-pipe. It doesn't sound like something I'd want in my living room... Our stove can produce a lot of smoke that just sits inside it if the wood isn't burning cleanly or the flue isn't hot enough. With no barrier there, that's just going to fill the room with smoke and fumes.

I think your best bet would be to having a chat with a proper heating engineer to see what your options are. Chances are a stove would start making back cash immediately in efficiency alone. I'm all for doing things on the cheap but when it's something with the potential to burn your house down and/or kill you in your sleep, a little caution is advisable. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:34 - 22 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

BumpingUglys wrote:
It's probably doable, but I'd have a few reservations about using a chimnea inside.

From a practical aspect, I'm not sure you'd be able to make a fire big enough to heat much of a room; or if you did, how well the chimnea would respond to it. Remember most chimneas are only designed to burn 2 or 3 small logs. I'd also question the durability, bearing in mind they are generally used for occasional parties etc, rather than a permanent heater.

Not sure about how safe it would be, but it's gonna be an uncontrollable open fire feeding into an unsealed flue-pipe. It doesn't sound like something I'd want in my living room... Our stove can produce a lot of smoke that just sits inside it if the wood isn't burning cleanly or the flue isn't hot enough. With no barrier there, that's just going to fill the room with smoke and fumes.

I think your best bet would be to having a chat with a proper heating engineer to see what your options are. Chances are a stove would start making back cash immediately in efficiency alone. I'm all for doing things on the cheap but when it's something with the potential to burn your house down and/or kill you in your sleep, a little caution is advisable. Thumbs Up


What is an 'unsealed flue pipe'?

Nothing mechanically wrong with heating a room from a Chimnea so long as hot gas can escape safely and the stove/fire is supported well and not next to combustible materials furniture etc.
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PostPosted: 16:42 - 22 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
What is an 'unsealed flue pipe'?


It's a chimnea with it's pipe stuck into a flue, with nothing to prevent smoke and gases backing up into the room it's sat in Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:52 - 22 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

BumpingUglys wrote:
Walloper wrote:
What is an 'unsealed flue pipe'?


It's a chimnea with it's pipe stuck into a flue, with nothing to prevent smoke and gases backing up into the room it's sat in Thumbs Up


How will it back up any more than a normal hearth will?

It's convection that draws/pushes the smoke up the lum.

We have three fire places all with 'unsealed' chimneys.

No problem lighting a fire.

When you fit a liner you 'seal' the gasses off from the chimney but it is entirely unnecessary if the chimney is otherwise sound sound.
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