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PostPosted: 16:50 - 01 Jan 2014    Post subject: Helmet and glove recommendations Reply with quote

Hi

Flip-up helmet, around £150, and winter gloves with protection £60 - £80.

Any recommendations appreciated.
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 01 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends on how big your head and hands are to be fair. I heard those Nitro flip up lids do the job for a low price tag.
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PostPosted: 17:47 - 01 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, I'm happy with my Nitro F341-VN. You can get better side impact protection from a Caberg, but for at least twice the price, and they're not any smaller or lighter.

Also: muffs.
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PostPosted: 17:57 - 01 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

For what reason would you want a flip up helmet? 2 guys doing their lessons had them he other day but thought they would be most suited for couriers and emergency services, etc
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PostPosted: 18:12 - 01 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are several advantages:

#1 Flip it up for better visibility in low speed manoeuvring situations, e.g. car parks.

#2 Takes some of the hassle out of gearing up. The lid doesn't have to be the very last thing that you haul on, you can put it on early, then remember the ten other things you've forgotten.

#3 You can nod while doing a sponsored charity filter through the petrol station.
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 01 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another for nitro - don't see the point spending 150 quid when you can get one thats adequate for 40-60 quid. If you don't need it though i'd just get a normal full-face though, riding with it flipped up is risky, and I find a lot of them can be quiet noisey with the wind getting in the opening-crack once you're going some speed, and are a bit bulkier and weighty once the wind starts hitting you.

I use spada-enforcer gloves with thin thermal-ski gloves inside. Never had problems personally, but IIRC a few other people have said they had problems with spada stuff in bad weather in the past so maybe one to avoid to play it safe Thinking
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PostPosted: 18:27 - 01 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I find a lot of them can be quiet noisey with the wind getting in the opening-crack once you're going some speed, and are a bit bulkier and weighty once the wind starts hitting you.

How many flip-fronts have you tried? Eh?
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PostPosted: 18:27 - 01 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
There are several advantages:

#1 Flip it up for better visibility in low speed manoeuvring situations, e.g. car parks.



-Matt- wrote:
Another for nitro - don't see the point spending 150 quid when you can get one thats adequate for 40-60 quid. If you don't need it though i'd just get a normal full-face though, riding with it flipped up is risky,


Now now Roger.

Riding with it flipped up is not allowed unless it has a D rating on the helmet. Normally a little tag on the strap.

To the OP.

Helmet. Get one that fits. Flip up has advantages but they are normally heavier and noisier.
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PostPosted: 18:29 - 01 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Matt- wrote:

I use spada-enforcer gloves with thin thermal-ski gloves inside. Never had problems personally, but IIRC a few other people have said they had problems with spada stuff in bad weather in the past so maybe one to avoid to play it safe Thinking


Another recommendation for Spada Enforcers. Warm, loads of protection, hard-wearing. A good glove for the money (£60-ish, depending on where you get them obviously).
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PostPosted: 18:42 - 01 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought these gloves a few weeks ago:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171145295326?clk_rvr_id=568012648068

So far so good, warm and waterproof. Very happy with them for that price.
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 01 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
-Matt- wrote:
I find a lot of them can be quiet noisey with the wind getting in the opening-crack once you're going some speed, and are a bit bulkier and weighty once the wind starts hitting you.

How many flip-fronts have you tried? Eh?

Only three, all seemed quite noisey though compared to my full-face's, two were quite expensive ones as well. I take it its not the norm then Wink
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PostPosted: 19:00 - 01 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

HJC IS-Max is what I have, pretty decent flip up helmet. Had mine for 2 years now no problems, wearing it every time I ride the bike. Can easily fit earplugs/earphones inside it as well and it does a fair job on its own blocking wind noise (much better than my spare helmet which is a full face helmet Confused)

I have noticed that the flip front tends to create more wind resistance than the full face. It's slightly bigger (I do have a Large-sized one though while the full face is medium). This isn't really much of an issue though as I rode 5000 miles around Europe this summer with it on and didn't suffer from it.

As for gloves, I ordered some pretty decent cheap summer gloves off ebay. Gloves are more hit and miss though.

These were the ones I ordered:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ARMR-MOTO-SP16-SHORT-CUFF-SUMMER-MOTORBIKE-MOTORCYCLE-SCOOTER-GLOVES-/400334673519?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Gloves&var=&hash=item5d35ce566f

They're comfy and provide quite a good airflow when it's hot.

As for winter gloves, my Hein Gericke ones are pretty good for anything from -5 celsius to +8ish (any higher and you get sweaty)
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 01 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

This month's Ride has a big article on winter gloves. When I get my arse of the sofa I will grab it and tell you what they recommend.
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 01 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

doomsnite wrote:
For what reason would you want a flip up helmet? 2 guys doing their lessons had them he other day but thought they would be most suited for couriers and emergency services, etc


Main reason is, I wear glasses. It's a hassel of getting them on and off with a full face helmet, especially when I wear a balaclava as well...I destroyed one pair by trying to wheedle them on and off, it's a pain, as most other riders who wear them will tell you.

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RogerborgPosted: 18:12 - 01 Jan 2014 Post subject:

There are several advantages:

#1 Flip it up for better visibility in low speed manoeuvring situations, e.g. car parks.

#2 Takes some of the hassle out of gearing up. The lid doesn't have to be the very last thing that you haul on, you can put it on early, then remember the ten other things you've forgotten.

#3 You can nod while doing a sponsored charity filter through the petrol station


Yep, all those Rogerborg...and the glasses thing.... Thumbs Up



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BennoPosted: 19:00 - 01 Jan 2014 Post subject:

HJC IS-Max is what I have, pretty decent flip up helmet. Had mine for 2 years now no problems, wearing it every time I ride the bike. Can easily fit earplugs/earphones inside it as well and it does a fair job on its own blocking wind noise (much better than my spare helmet which is a full face helmet )


I've been looking at them...got an HJC full face at the moment...does yours have a sun-visor ? size wise someone mentioned they're a bit bigger than stated, is yours a good fit and the size you normally buy ?



Thanks to all those that have replied, I'm gonna look up the helmets / gloves that have you've suggested so far...

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PostPosted: 19:25 - 01 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes the HJC IS Max has an internal sun visor Very Happy

I've tested it, and it goes over glasses. My sunglasses at least, which are probably thicker-rimmed than normal glasses.

As for fit, it's perfect. Size large and it's only got more comfortable as time went by. My spare is a medium and quite tight. Curiously when being fitted for a respirator it turned out my face is almost too small for the smallest size, so that leaves me a little confused about the shape of my head.

Best go to a shop and try on some helmets really, we all have differently/weirdly shaped heads Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:37 - 01 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got a £9 pair of gloves on e-bay and they are like toast. Very surprised and impressed.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Viper-Textile-Leather-Waterproof-lined-winter-Motorcycle-Motorbike-Gloves-Ice-/200838211617?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Gloves&var=&hash=item2ec2e3e821
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PostPosted: 19:41 - 01 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whichever helmet you get choose one with a sunvisor. Godsend this time of year.
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 01 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

doomsnite wrote:
For what reason would you want a flip up helmet? 2 guys doing their lessons had them he other day but thought they would be most suited for couriers and emergency services, etc


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PostPosted: 20:00 - 01 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:
Now now Roger.
Riding with it flipped up is not allowed unless it has a D rating on the helmet. Normally a little tag on the strap.

And what offence would I be committing, doing that in Her Majesty's realm?

The helmet is securely fastened and bears an ECE 22.05 mark[*] and there's not one word in MC(PH)R 1998 requiring anything else.

Things might be different in, for example, Bavaria, but we're not quite at the stage of criminalising Brits based on local European State laws just yet. Marketing blurb from helmet manufacturers does not create an offence.

I would genuinely welcome being prosecuted for this, so that I can put it before a Sheriff. Non endorsable, and it's only money. A copper chum has laughed off the suggestion, I wonder if I can find a more compliant one at next year's Yorkhill chaaaaridy run. Thinking

[*] Actually not a fully compliant mark, as with most helmets that I've examined, but then that applies to use it at all, I've got the 4 (3) (a) (ii) defence of "could reasonably be expected to afford to the wearer a degree of protection from accidental injury similar to or greater than that provided by a helmet of a [prescribed] type". As you'll no doubt be aware.
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PostPosted: 20:06 - 01 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

these are top gloves from the ride Review. They were loving the Richa Artics
https://imgur.com/a/8Tmgh
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PostPosted: 20:42 - 01 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Davenaylor wrote:
these are top gloves from the ride Review. They were loving the Richa Artics
https://imgur.com/a/8Tmgh


Thanks Dave...very usefull..
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 01 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
pinkyfloyd wrote:
Now now Roger.
Riding with it flipped up is not allowed unless it has a D rating on the helmet. Normally a little tag on the strap.

And what offence would I be committing, doing that in Her Majesty's realm?

The helmet is securely fastened and bears an ECE 22.05 mark[*] and there's not one word in MC(PH)R 1998 requiring anything else.

Things might be different in, for example, Bavaria, but we're not quite at the stage of criminalising Brits based on local European State laws just yet. Marketing blurb from helmet manufacturers does not create an offence.

I would genuinely welcome being prosecuted for this, so that I can put it before a Sheriff. Non endorsable, and it's only money. A copper chum has laughed off the suggestion, I wonder if I can find a more compliant one at next year's Yorkhill chaaaaridy run. Thinking

[*] Actually not a fully compliant mark, as with most helmets that I've examined, but then that applies to use it at all, I've got the 4 (3) (a) (ii) defence of "could reasonably be expected to afford to the wearer a degree of protection from accidental injury similar to or greater than that provided by a helmet of a [prescribed] type". As you'll no doubt be aware.

Not an offence persay Roger dear sir. More a case of the manufactuer has not designed it to be used for riding with the doofer up. Razz
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PostPosted: 02:58 - 02 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:
Riding with it flipped up is not allowed unless it has a D rating on the helmet.

Not an offence persay Roger dear sir.

Well, it is or it isn't. And I'm convinced that it isn't.

Also, where's "D" coming from? Is this some manufacturer mystery mark, because ECE 22.05 specifies P (protective chin bar), J ('jet', no chin bar) or NP (non-protective chin bar).

pinkyfloyd wrote:
More a case of the manufactuer has not designed it to be used for riding with the doofer up. Razz

Because there's no "D" mark on it? Design isn't the same as certification: the P mark that I've just found on my Nitro only shows that it was tested as having a protective chin bar, and that it worked. It doesn't imply anything about its performance when riding with that chin bar up.

I wouldn't advocate riding any helmet flipped up at more than a few mph, regardless of any mystery marking on it. But neither would I expect it to offer less protection than the open face piss pots that many of our cruiser and scooter brethren choose to wear every day.
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PostPosted: 03:12 - 02 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
-Matt- wrote:
I find a lot of them can be quiet noisey with the wind getting in the opening-crack once you're going some speed, and are a bit bulkier and weighty once the wind starts hitting you.

How many flip-fronts have you tried? Eh?


On an unrelated note:
I think the question should be - how noisy is your bike?

I was always happy with my Caberg until I rode a 636 with an aftermarket scorpion with the baffle out for 140 miles....and tbh within 30 miles for the first time in years of riding I was in agony due the pure volume getting through the helmet.
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PostPosted: 03:22 - 02 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

ws4936 wrote:
I was always happy with my Caberg until I rode a 636 with an aftermarket scorpion with the baffle out for 140 miles....and tbh within 30 miles for the first time in years of riding I was in agony due the pure volume getting through the helmet.
That could well be the crux then Laughing I've only worn flips on the ZX6 so far. Mine isn't hammered much admittedly, but its pretty harsh on the ears at the best of times.
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