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In your experience, do crashed and repaired motorcycles have a resale value less than their uncrashed brethren?
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No
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Brolly Dolly



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PostPosted: 13:12 - 03 Jan 2014    Post subject: Solicitor says there's no proof crashed vehicles devalue... Reply with quote

Any chance I can get a quick opinion of you guys on this? Supposed to be serving the claim today and they've made some major changes to the claim without consulting me. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 13:13 - 03 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course. Due to their history, they're less desirable. Some people don't care. Some people will absolutely refuse to buy.
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 03 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd never trust a crashed and repaired bike, so the answer's YES.
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PostPosted: 13:17 - 03 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I'd say bikes lose more value as crash repaired than cars.

Bikers generally avoid bikes that have been crash repaired since you never really know it's perfectly ok to thrash across germany at 150mph.

I'd buy crash damaged for simple economics, i do a lot of miles and bikes are often scrap within 9 months.
The bike I have now was stolen, dropped and repainted. Because of this I got it for probably two thirds of what it would have sold for without the damage repair history.
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PostPosted: 13:17 - 03 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this a serious question?!
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 03 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

J biker wrote:
Is this a serious question?!


It is an insurance company solicitor trying to get out of paying out as much as they should by saying damage repaired bikes are worth as much as non damaged, we know it's not true, they probably know it's not true but they have to try it on.
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 03 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marmalade wrote:
J biker wrote:
Is this a serious question?!


It is an insurance company solicitor trying to get out of paying out as much as they should by saying damage repaired bikes are worth as much as non damaged, we know it's not true, they probably know it's not true but they have to try it on.


The worst bit is it's my solicitor arguing this, not the other side.
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 03 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

really?

And when you told him, what did he say?

Have you called him a cnut yet?
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PostPosted: 13:32 - 03 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of Course (as if you didnt know)


I bought a cat D (just panels replaced) in September wasn't advertised as such, I found this out on a search, told the bloke I was still interested but not at the advertised price the very best I would go to was about 60% of this, he said still come, I did, & bought it for a few hundred less than advertised Very Happy


I bought a stolen & recovered bike about 8 years for about 50% of its worth (might have been jinxed as that was the one I lost my leg on Confused )
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PostPosted: 13:33 - 03 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marmalade wrote:
really?

And when you told him, what did he say?

Have you called him a cnut yet?


Starting going on about his experience in these matters and how an expert in my specific model of 125's would have to be paid for at my expense to verify the claim...

Promptly called bullshit on that at 9am this morning, still waiting on a response.
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PostPosted: 13:37 - 03 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

A simple question to him would be



2 very similar used vehicles side by side, one crashed repaired, one not (which is £20 dearer) which would you buy?

The fact its a bike makes no difference
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 03 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Manatee wrote:
Starting going on about his experience in these matters and how an expert in my specific model of 125's would have to be paid for at my expense to verify the claim...

Promptly called bullshit on that at 9am this morning, still waiting on a response.


Have you told him that you want a new solicitor? Very Happy

MC wrote:
However I also think it's a bit $hit how the person who crashes can buy their vehicle back cheap, repair it, then it's every future owner who has to suffer with trying to sell it on (maybe buying it unaware it was a write off in the first place).


It would be your own fault for not checking. I'd buy back a bike I've crashed and repair it with no worries.
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 03 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.M. wrote:

Have you told him that you want a new solicitor? Very Happy


These are the guys I switched to from the far far worse insurance-provided firm on the recommendation of some members of this forum! Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 03 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

MC wrote:
on a bike the only crumple zone's your face, so if it's been repaire

It will have put the frame through stresses it wasn't designed to cope with.

Now, it doesn't bother me, but I wouldn't be paying full price either.

If it's written off, I thought that was generally accepted by insurance companies to mean it's worth less - certainly seen that being used as a tactic to reduce a claim on a vehicle that has already been written off.

Maybe ask him to provide proof that is the case - some back up for his belief.
I'd consider asking them to assign someone else and be tempted to make an official complaint.
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PostPosted: 13:49 - 03 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps time to remind them who is the client and who the service provider in this relationship. They can advise but you issue the instructions.
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 03 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

weasley wrote:
Perhaps time to remind them who is the client and who the service provider in this relationship. They can advise but you issue the instructions.


I reminded them of this in no uncertain terms last night when I got the proposal from them (at 8pm!). With their continued resistance I don't feel hopeful about the outcome of today.
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 03 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Manatee wrote:
J.M. wrote:

Have you told him that you want a new solicitor? Very Happy


These are the guys I switched to from the far far worse insurance-provided firm on the recommendation of some members of this forum! Laughing


Shit.
Better ask for advice elsewhere then! Rolling Eyes

Maybe you need to change solicitor...again..
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PostPosted: 14:08 - 03 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me, I don't care about the history per se, but yes I would expect to pay less, so IMO its worth less.
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PostPosted: 15:31 - 03 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

IME a bike that's been crashed (not just dropped, but crashed into something, or something crashed into it) is never quite 100% correct again, unless possibly you go to extreme lengths and e.g. put the frame in a jig to ensure it's spot on.

All the bikes I've had, except for those I got almost new, have been dropped or crashed. They inevitably have a slightly asymmetrical feel somewhere, or have measurably off bits. My current VFR's right steering lock is a bit closer to the tank than the left steering lock, and the oil cooler's pipes are much closer to the fairing on one side than the other. But it doesn't pull to one side, not at speed in any case.

My current SH was never dropped until a car did a turn into me (into a dropped curb) as I was overtaking at 25mph. It had all the damaged panels replaced, as well as the steering stem and fork stanchions. But it's not 100%, I suspect the handlebars are a few mm out, and I can see the mirror stalk isn't spot on in its hole in the handlebar fairing, and it pulls ever so slightly to one side, and it has a tendency to preferentially wobble to one side as I land after getting air on speed bumps, but getting all this fixed - and the insurance repairers to acknowledge it - is more trouble than it's worth.
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 03 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this an actual solicitor or some claims management company?
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PostPosted: 15:57 - 03 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rob Fzs wrote:
without all this too and throw bullshit


Say what? To and fro, dear boy, to and fro Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:01 - 03 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Is this an actual solicitor or some claims management company?


This is an actual firm of solicitors that are well represented on this forum.

This firm has just served a claim form without claiming for my bike against my expressed instruction not to do so.

I can't accurately describe how angry I am right now. Evil or Very Mad
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