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 Posted: 17:27 - 04 Jan 2014  Post subject: Need advice on my A1 Licence please! |
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Hi, I turned 17 last month and had a scooter for 12 months (not a yob). I really enjoyed the experience and want to get a bigger bike, especially when I'm 19 and can get a DRZ400  . Anyway according to my parents a car is more "practical"  I have my car test booked for this month and after that intend on doing my A1, I'll be fine with the theory but obviously because I don't have a bike I was wondering where could I borrow one from for around a week so I can get used to the clutch, weight etc.. Do the bike schools supply them? How much would I be looking to spend? Many thanks, Kieran.  |
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| Posted: 17:52 - 04 Jan 2014 Post subject: Re: Need advice on my A1 Licence please! |
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I paid £150 per day for my training and had 2 days training, but i'm sure the price varies in different cities and areas. Best bet is calling up your local bike school and asking them for prices.
Theory = £31
CBT is £110 (-/+ £10)
Mod1 = £15
Mod2 = £75
As for borrowing a bike, if you're doing your A1 license and you're planning on buying a 125 anyway right?
So just do your CBT and buy a 125 and practise on your own for a week then go for your training and tests once comfortable, I doubt any school would lend their bikes out for a week as they'll most likely need them.
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Why not buy a 125 as that's all you'll be able to ride after the A1 test?
Really confused here...
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| Posted: 18:09 - 04 Jan 2014 Post subject: |
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| Clutchy wrote: | Why not buy a 125 as that's all you'll be able to ride after the A1 test?
Really confused here... |
+1.
OK, you had a moped, which means you did (or should have done) a CBT. So, you can go out today and ride any bike up to 125cc and 11kW, and use it to pass your A1 tests, which will give you a license to ride exactly that bike (just without the L plates, and with a pillion and/or on a motorway). Or you could just ride it on Ls, re-do your CBT when you turn 18, and then do A2 at 19, which you'll need to do anyway regardless of whether you bother passing A1 or not.
You don't need to go via a training school, and if you've been riding around on a ped, you should be good enough to pass the tests yourself (because not dead yet). Doubly so if you have learned decent roadcraft as part of your car training.
A car is more practical for most purposes, by the way, but god knows how you're supposed to afford the insurance on it at 17.
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| Posted: 18:48 - 04 Jan 2014 Post subject: |
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Here's an up to date insurance rate (I'm 18 and a few months)
Ped when 16 was £110 tpf&t
CBR125 @ 17 was £680 tpt&t
SV650 @ 17 was £610 tpt&t
1.4 mk 4 golf @ 18 (no mods declared) £1,960 with a lie stating I do 3000 miles per year.
SV650 this year is £300
I'd have my bike over my car if I had to choose between the two.
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| Posted: 21:01 - 04 Jan 2014 Post subject: |
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Hi guys, I have an up to date CBT I did it December 2012, also my car insurance is 2200 a year fully comp on my own policy (I live in a rural area). Yes Andy Pagin - Dad was a biker and as hard as it is for me to believe he was young once. Saying that he thinks I should ride, I guess its just my mum, other family members and work colleagues that think I shouldn't. I think I'll drive for a few months and its hard to fund that will definitely be my excuse for getting a bike! Thanks for the advice. |
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| Posted: 21:04 - 04 Jan 2014 Post subject: Re: Need advice on my A1 Licence please! |
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| Az- wrote: | I paid £150 per day for my training and had 2 days training, but i'm sure the price varies in different cities and areas. Best bet is calling up your local bike school and asking them for prices.
Theory = £31
CBT is £110 (-/+ £10)
Mod1 = £15
Mod2 = £75
As for borrowing a bike, if you're doing your A1 license and you're planning on buying a 125 anyway right?
So just do your CBT and buy a 125 and practise on your own for a week then go for your training and tests once comfortable, I doubt any school would lend their bikes out for a week as they'll most likely need them.
Good luck with everything and welcome to biking |
Thanks for the great advice and the warm welcome to biking
I love the idea of being part of the biking community! |
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| Rogerborg wrote: | | Clutchy wrote: | Why not buy a 125 as that's all you'll be able to ride after the A1 test?
Really confused here... |
+1.
OK, you had a moped, which means you did (or should have done) a CBT. So, you can go out today and ride any bike up to 125cc and 11kW, and use it to pass your A1 tests, which will give you a license to ride exactly that bike (just without the L plates, and with a pillion and/or on a motorway). Or you could just ride it on Ls, re-do your CBT when you turn 18, and then do A2 at 19, which you'll need to do anyway regardless of whether you bother passing A1 or not.
You don't need to go via a training school, and if you've been riding around on a ped, you should be good enough to pass the tests yourself (because not dead yet). Doubly so if you have learned decent roadcraft as part of your car training.
A car is more practical for most purposes, by the way, but god knows how you're supposed to afford the insurance on it at 17. |
Yes I have a valid CBT. Do I not have to do my A1 to be able to do my A2? |
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| Posted: 21:10 - 04 Jan 2014 Post subject: |
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[quote="Andy_Pagin"][quote]Anyway according to my parents a car is more "practical[/quote]
Translation:
They're afraid you'll die on a bike, either because dad used to be a biker, or they have the strange idea that a moped is a safer form of transport because it's so slow
At seventeen expect to pay thousands to insure a car, hundreds to insure a bike.[/quote]
Yep, Dad was a biker and knows me too well I'm definitely a safe rider but I may have speeding tendencies. |
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| Posted: 21:16 - 04 Jan 2014 Post subject: |
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Lol, my dad was a biker in the 1950s, and I got much the same reaction when I asked about getting a bike. I think he saw too many of his mates die and loved me too much to see me cop it. Bless him. I so wish he'd lived to see me get my full licence and give me the last laugh by saying "mind if I take the Fazer for a run round the block?"
You strike me as reasonably sensible for your age, so go on and make your dad proud of his biker son. As for mum, she'll worry about you for the rest of her life whatever you do, that's just the way mums are.
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| MC wrote: | Brilliant law, clearly created by someone who can't count |
The wording is (demonstrably) confusing.
Yes, you absolutely can do the A2 tests directly at 19.
The requirement is that you either have an A1 license obtained at least 2 years previously, or that you have a CBT and motorcycle theory pass obtained within the previous 2 years.
Here's the derp.
Consider if you do CBT and theory the day you turn 17, then pass your A1 the day you turn 18, then go to book your A2 tests the day after you turn 19.
DVSA say "OK, you have A1, but not for 2 years, and your CBT and theory pass were over 2 years ago, so according to The Rules, you need to do them again. Even though you already did them and passed a test."
I don't think anyone has thought this through, or that they care.
tl;dr version - if you're doing a car test anyway, and don't need to ride on motorways or take a pillion, there's not an awful lot of point to doing the A1 tests. Gets the L plates off, which might be worth it just by itself.
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| Rogerborg wrote: | Consider if you do CBT and theory the day you turn 17, then pass your A1 the day you turn 18, then go to book your A2 tests the day after you turn 19.
DVSA say "OK, you have A1, but not for 2 years, and your CBT and theory pass were over 2 years ago, so according to The Rules, you need to do them again. Even though you already did them and passed a test."
I don't think anyone has thought this through, or that they care. |
Surely as soon as you have a full (A1) license, CBT/theory test become irrelevant? I'm wondering if the 2 year wording was just so people didn't think they could get an A2 license quicker if they had an A1, for example if the wording was 19 or A1 license holders.
If it was truly "progressive" access, you would have thought after a year you'd be able to have a shot at A2, but whatever its all a load of $hit that can only be cured with a derestricted 2-stroke 
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| Posted: 23:09 - 04 Jan 2014 Post subject: |
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| MC wrote: | Surely as soon as you have a full (A1) license, CBT/theory test become irrelevant? |
That would be the common sense interpretation.
However, the regulations say:
| The Motor Vehicles (Driving Licences) (Amendment) Regulations 2012 wrote: | A person is exempt from the requirement to pass a theory test for the purpose of obtaining a licence authorising the driving of a motor vehicle of a class included in sub-category A2 if that person—
(a) holds a valid standard theory test pass certificate in respect of a motor vehicle of a class included in category AM or A;
(b) has, for a period of not less than two years, held a full licence which authorises the driving of A1 motorcycles; |
There's an implicit "and" between (a) and (b). On a plain reading, with that "and", it does say that if you haven't had A1 for a full two years, then your theory pass needs to be within the previous 2 years. CBT, who knows, it's not mentioned.
I await the tales of derp.
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| Rogerborg wrote: | | MC wrote: | Brilliant law, clearly created by someone who can't count |
The wording is (demonstrably) confusing.
Yes, you absolutely can do the A2 tests directly at 19.
The requirement is that you either have an A1 license obtained at least 2 years previously, or that you have a CBT and motorcycle theory pass obtained within the previous 2 years.
Here's the derp.
Consider if you do CBT and theory the day you turn 17, then pass your A1 the day you turn 18, then go to book your A2 tests the day after you turn 19.
DVSA say "OK, you have A1, but not for 2 years, and your CBT and theory pass were over 2 years ago, so according to The Rules, you need to do them again. Even though you already did them and passed a test."
I don't think anyone has thought this through, or that they care.
tl;dr version - if you're doing a car test anyway, and don't need to ride on motorways or take a pillion, there's not an awful lot of point to doing the A1 tests. Gets the L plates off, which might be worth it just by itself. |
Yes, it's so confusing! Would I be best of just renewing my CBT in December 14 then I would have had 3 years having a CBT. But then I'd have to put up with the L plates and I don't think the big bikes take you seriously (where I am anyway) when you have them on. |
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