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PostPosted: 15:52 - 18 Jan 2014    Post subject: Any fuel preservatives or additives? Reply with quote

So during a bit of mind/body displacement whilst on the rower at the gym I pondered:

Do any of you lot use any additives in your fuel such as Redex? Or just use premium fuel, or think fuck it and just go with Tesco's regular?
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 18 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope. I use any old fuel with no additives whatsoever. Bikes have never missed a beat. Redex and the like are a waste of money. Smile
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 18 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used some STP product in GPz550, worked like charm, I'm gonna try it in the ZXR before I take the carbs out. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:23 - 18 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

nope nothing, cheapest stuff i can find, to match the cheapest oil thats in the bike, only concession my bike gets is diesel oil, but thats only ok if you have a dry clutch
supposedly you can get better mpg from higher octane fuel, but really you'd have to have a f.i. bike to compensate for it, since i dont, i dont bother,
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PostPosted: 17:49 - 18 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Redex. upper cylinder lubricant.
buy petrol 95ron. from whoever or whenever cheapest.. Asda, sainsburys, tescos etc.
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 18 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use Shell Nitro+ or BP Ultimate usually, as they have some engine friendly additives. Main difference is it runs a little more smoothly, and extracts another 5-10 MPG out of my F.I. YBR. As MPG is so high, the price difference is not a problem.

It does also FEEL slightly more powerful (even though it's still only a 125), but I won't trust that as it could just be placebo.
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 18 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

simonjb wrote:
I use Shell Nitro+ or BP Ultimate usually, as they have some engine friendly additives. Main difference is it runs a little more smoothly, and extracts another 5-10 MPG out of my F.I. YBR. As MPG is so high, the price difference is not a problem.

It does also FEEL slightly more powerful (even though it's still only a 125), but I won't trust that as it could just be placebo.


Do you run a lambda sensor on the YBR?

If not, no gain.
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 18 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copycat73 wrote:
Redex. upper cylinder lubricant.


What is this meant to give you?

No additives for me. I put in whatever fuel is nearest. Was Shell, now I live about half a mile from a Tesco so it gets that. Mainly 95, but a bit of 98/99 if I feel like treating it.

Running 95 or 98/99 makes bugger all difference that I can tell. The 954 doesn't run a lambda sensor so can't adjust it's fuelling/ignition on the fly anyway.
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PostPosted: 21:20 - 18 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have never used any additive. Petrol is expensive enough as it is.

The bikes will happily run on the cheapest stale petrol as long as it still goes boom boom when exposed to spark spark.

I've ran my old pit bike ongine on 6 month old green looking fuel with some diesel and 2 stroke in there... likely to be brake fluid also. Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:31 - 18 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:

Do you run a lambda sensor on the YBR?

If not, no gain.


Can't say I do, hence why I can't back up any improvement except for fuel efficiency, the only measurable difference in terms of the engine performance, is that it warms up to normal idle speed more quickly on a cold day, when using Nitro+ vs. BP Regular.
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PostPosted: 21:35 - 18 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

simonjb wrote:


Can't say I do, hence why I can't back up any improvement except for fuel efficiency, the only measurable difference in terms of the engine performance, is that it warms up to normal idle speed more quickly on a cold day, when using Nitro+ vs. BP Regular.


Meh.

I could point out that all of the bikes we have in the EU run perfectly happily on the standard 91 RON in Japan, so it shouldn't be an issue TBH.
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PostPosted: 21:44 - 18 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Some bike do require 95 RON min, but quite a lot of Japanese bikes only require 91 RON.

Never noticed any difference in performance using higher octane fuels on any of the bikes, nor on most of the cars (the exception being the Maserati which has noticeably more power on higher octane fuel, but then it does have a knock sensor and a couple of turbos). Never bothered to use any additives, although one to prevent the fuel gumming up jets might be tempting on rarely used bikes.

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PostPosted: 21:55 - 18 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I seem to remember the GSXR1000 K6 had a sticker on the tank that says use a minimum of 95 RON.
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 18 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
I seem to remember the GSXR1000 K6 had a sticker on the tank that says use a minimum of 95 RON.


Standard Japanese arse covering. I would have expected the ignition and fuel maps to be the same as on Japanese spec bikes.

The RX8 I had said not to use 98 RON fuel, although I can't remember why. The options were 91 or 95 octane.
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PostPosted: 23:35 - 18 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even the cheapest shite fuel in the UK is still above a lot of the world's standard. Can't remember the last time I saw below 95 RON in the UK, which is higher than a lot of places outside the EU.
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PostPosted: 10:48 - 19 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:
Copycat73 wrote:
Redex. upper cylinder lubricant.

What is this meant to give you?


reduced carbon deposits,
reduced valve seat wear.
reduced piston ring wear.

look I`m guessin your a non believer that's fine .. but I take my advice from a mechanic who I`ve Known for years.
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PostPosted: 10:52 - 19 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:
simonjb wrote:
I use Shell Nitro+ or BP Ultimate usually, as they have some engine friendly additives. Main difference is it runs a little more smoothly, and extracts another 5-10 MPG out of my F.I. YBR. As MPG is so high, the price difference is not a problem.

It does also FEEL slightly more powerful (even though it's still only a 125), but I won't trust that as it could just be placebo.


Do you run a lambda sensor on the YBR?

If not, no gain.

Thinking I filled up with 98ron. and I felt no increase in power either,
the 5vy has no lambda sensor.. so why does this happen so ?
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 19 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copycat73 wrote:


reduced carbon deposits,
reduced valve seat wear.
reduced piston ring wear.

look I`m guessin your a non believer that's fine .. but I take my advice from a mechanic who I`ve Known for years.


I'd like to see proper evidence for this but I'll bet it doesn't exist. I'll sell you a wristband with a special crystal that will align your internal energy - it's probably quantum too. The manufacturers and the bloke who sells them have given me advice that they really really work. Razz Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:38 - 19 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've used pour in injector cleaner on various old EFI car's, and also changed the fuel filter first. I'd like to believe that injector cleaner works, but have no evidence of this.

I think with additives it depends on what you want them to do really, as no additive will magically do everything from giving more mpg, more bhp, less engine wear, free up sticky valves etc.

I've used pour in octane booster on 2stroke engines, when I have increased the compression ratio, but 98-99RON fuel would be just as good. However if your after high octane fuel I've been told that adding a decent octane booster to 98RON UL, can achieve 102-103RON fuel, which is useful for race engines, very high compression engines, and Japanese import cars that were tuned for more power and designed for 100RON home market fuel.

In my Rover I use 97-98RON SUL, as it does have a knock sensor, and my engine is tuned running higher boost and a bigger turbo than std, so it might be closer to det at high boost, seeing as I run a std factory ECU with no additional fueling.

If I wanted to clean an engines combustion chamber's, and try to clean carboned up valves and rings, I would just spray water into the engine whilst running, as I think water cleans things as well as any chemical can!
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PostPosted: 13:24 - 19 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copycat73 wrote:

Thinking I filled up with 98ron. and I felt no increase in power either,
the 5vy has no lambda sensor.. so why does this happen so ?


Lambda sensor has pretty much nothing to do with octane rating.

Lambda sensor detects the oxygen content of the exhaust gas, hence how rich / lean the engine is running. While running a rich mixture might make knock less likely the lambda probe isn't feeding back anything about whether knock is occuring.

Where it will help is when switching between fuels with different energy contents. Such as ones with a higher ethanol content (ethanol has a high octane rating compared to normal petrol), where you need more volume of fuel to get the same mixture richness.

A knock sensor can give the ecu feedback of knock, allowing it to adjust the ignition timing (and boost if it has a turbo) to take advantage of higher octane fuel.

All the best

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PostPosted: 14:13 - 19 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Islander wrote:


I'd like to see proper evidence for this but I'll bet it doesn't exist. I'll sell you a wristband with a special crystal that will align your internal energy - it's probably quantum too. The manufacturers and the bloke who sells them have given me advice that they really really work. Razz Laughing


his experience was from grass cutting machinery and how many engines went bang over two time periods one when redex was used and after when it was stopped.
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PostPosted: 14:23 - 19 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

They put enough shit into fuel without having to spend more money countering it.
Slightly off topic but the ethanol they now add is playing havoc with the rubber hoses on my fuel system. I've just had to get a length of something ethanol resistant to replace them, I'd expect cracked hoses in a twenty year old bike but they've turned into a slimy mess. Not happy Sad
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PostPosted: 15:41 - 19 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

mentalboy wrote:

Slightly off topic but the ethanol they now add is playing havoc with the rubber hoses on my fuel system. I've just had to get a length of something ethanol resistant to replace them, I'd expect cracked hoses in a twenty year old bike but they've turned into a slimy mess. Not happy Sad


try usin super unleaded ron. 98 ?
supposed to have no ethanol in it.
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 19 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heard about the ethanol content going up a couple of months ago and how it might cause issues with older hoses. Might stick some Red in to a tank full once I've finished servicing it just on the off chance.
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PostPosted: 16:38 - 19 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a srad750 that had been left with the old fuel in the tank and not run for 3 years...felt like it hit the rev limiter at 9k and wouldn't improve with new fuel or 100miles use. Tried some injector cleaner but expected to have to strip and clean them tbh.....within 5 miles it had cleared and pulled like a good dead should! I was very impressed because tbh I didn't rate these wonder treatments! Also I've known post little 4t 125's gain 5 mph and feel a lot better with v power etc yet my 929 feels slower and less keen to rev...no difference in actual indicated top end tho.try it in your bike and see what you think.
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