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G30
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 23 Jan 2014    Post subject: Insurance NCB Reply with quote

Is there any point in leaving my current one open for a year (another 6 months) to get the NCB? I'll already have another policy. It's not like I could stop half way through and say I have 1 year NCB. Either way it seems like these 6 months (even a year if I leave it open) are going to be wasted so I might as well get a bit of money back. Unless I'm missing something? Someone told me to leave it open for the NCB but I can't see how I'll get to use it. If I do 6 months on a new one just to get 1 year NCB on my current one (then get a third one), the second 6 months will be wasted so it seems pointless. Unless I leave it open cos it's cheaper than a new policy. Am I missing something?
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PostPosted: 13:20 - 23 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

wtf?
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 23 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are you trying to achieve? Are you not riding at all for the next 6 months or are you getting a new bike?

If it's a new bike then just swap your policy onto the new one?
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PostPosted: 14:01 - 23 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The underwriter might not swap from a 125 to a bigger bike.

Answer: it depends.

#1 It depends on how much (if anything) you'll get back from your current insurer. You may find that you'll actually end up owing them money in admin fees.

#2 It depends on whether you think you'll end up running two bikes. Two streams of NCB can come in handy, I'm building that up.

#3 It depends what's happening to your old bike. You should cancel the policy, as you don't want it running while a new owner stacks it into some lawyered-up kittens.
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 23 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm getting a new bike and getting rid of the old/current one. I was told to keep the insurance open to receive NCB at the end of the year. However, I don't see how it would really help me as I'll already have another policy. The only way it would help me is if I get 6 months insurance (to allow the current insurance to reach a year) but then that's wasting the new insurances' 6 months. It's just the older insurance would be cheaper to get NCB on than the new one.

Edit: my current insurance is too expensive to swap over compared to a brand new quote w/no NCB. I'd get around £100 back if I cancel before the 25th. To be fair, if I could find a way to get the NCB for only £100 it definitely seems worth it to me. It just doesn't seem like it would ever be useful unless I do a 6 months policy with a new one.
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PostPosted: 16:31 - 23 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ask current insurers if they will transfer the policy onto the new bike and pay the difference. You will never know without asking them.

Leaving it running is a waste of time as the 1 year NCB will be pointless unless you plan to have 2 bikes
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PostPosted: 16:35 - 23 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

They will, for a silly price.
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PostPosted: 16:38 - 23 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cancel the policy then when you get the new one. Are you paying monthly or did you pay in full?
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PostPosted: 17:09 - 23 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

In full. I'll get 25% back if I cancel before the 25th. Which will be around £113.
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PostPosted: 17:13 - 23 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd cancel Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:21 - 23 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apparently they have to have the docs back by the date, not just a phone call...
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PostPosted: 19:36 - 23 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

G30 wrote:
Apparently they have to have the docs back by the date, not just a phone call...

You have a statutory duty to either return the certificate of insurance (and only that) or to destroy it. Given that most insurers now deliver it electronically, I imagine that's no more than a "delete" command.

Anything else is a condition of your written contract. I'd advise that you read it now.
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 23 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If someone has insurance to ride other bikes (to ride mine) but I don't have insurance on mine, does it still count?
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 23 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, that someone's insurance will stipulate that the bike they're riding has to be covered by it's own 3rd party insurance minimum.
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PostPosted: 21:06 - 23 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I thought so.

Ta.
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PostPosted: 22:26 - 23 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benson_JV wrote:
No, that someone's insurance will stipulate that the bike they're riding has to be covered by it's own 3rd party insurance minimum.

Wow, you've read every certificate and contract of insurance in the land?

Except mine, apparently, because it doesn't say that. At all.
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PostPosted: 23:10 - 23 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Benson_JV wrote:
No, that someone's insurance will stipulate that the bike they're riding has to be covered by it's own 3rd party insurance minimum.

Wow, you've read every certificate and contract of insurance in the land?

Except mine, apparently, because it doesn't say that. At all.

It probably doesn't need to because of the continual insurance scam we're now stuck with...
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PostPosted: 23:20 - 23 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

andy_uk wrote:

It probably doesn't need to because of the continual insurance scam we're now stuck with...

It may say in your contract rog that the vehicle needs to be road worthy and not sorned...?


If its not sorned then it should be insured yada yada, I;m in no way saying this is true but playing devils advocate.
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PostPosted: 00:00 - 24 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd ignore any clause about roadworthiness because of RTA 1988 148 (2) (b).

SORN is neither here nor there, it's purely administrative.

It does not say that the other vehicle needs to be insured, and a pox on anyone who repeats the lie that it must say so.
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PostPosted: 14:07 - 24 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cancelled.

Apparently I do not need to do anything now.

Confused
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PostPosted: 03:07 - 26 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
I'd ignore any clause about roadworthiness because of RTA 1988 148 (2) (b).

SORN is neither here nor there, it's purely administrative.

It does not say that the other vehicle needs to be insured, and a pox on anyone who repeats the lie that it must say so.


This.

Why would the bike need to be insured already if your insurance is covering it to the satisfaction of the RTA while it's in your possession?

Be aware though, if you are riding another bike, that is not insured by it's owner, and you park it somewhere (i.e. it is no longer 'in' your possession) then it's uninsured... So ride it, don't stop to do some shopping.

I have seen policy documents state that the 'riding other bikes' extension is only valid if the vehicle is already insured, mine doesn't. It's just as bad as the 'insurance cover abroad only being valid for 90days' malarkey.....
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PostPosted: 11:52 - 26 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

pdg wrote:
It's just as bad as the 'insurance cover abroad only being valid for 90days' malarkey.....


This one is really odd in my car policy. It says that I have 'the cover described in the certificate' in the UK, EU member states and Norway, Switzerland etc, (compliant with the EU Motor Insurance Directive) but also that I have an 'International Motor Insurance Certificate' that covers those countries but for a maximum of 90 days and that I should arrange extra cover if I'm going to go over that limit. Seems utterly contradictory. Neutral
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PostPosted: 14:57 - 26 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Under the motor insurance directive they have to provide the minimum legal level of cover for the duration of the policy in any country that subscribes to the directive. The '90 day extension' is for anything above that level that your insurance covers in your home country.

If you have comprehensive insurance here and travel to a country that requires a minimum of TPO (or equivalent) then that's what you have after the 90 day period. If however you have TPO insurance here, and travel to a country that requires comprehensive cover, that's what you have for the full year (or whatever the duration of the policy is).

Of course, the insurance company won't actually highlight this, and will only sometimes admit it if pushed...
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 26 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

pdg wrote:
Under the motor insurance directive they have to provide the minimum legal level of cover for the duration of the policy in any country that subscribes to the directive. The '90 day extension' is for anything above that level that your insurance covers in your home country.


That's certainly what I took away from looking in to it. Just deliberately ambiguous drafting of the policy, I suppose. Even gov.uk has a one-sentence answer to the question:

gov.uk wrote:
All UK vehicle insurance provides the minimum third party cover to drive in other EU countries.

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PostPosted: 16:37 - 26 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhilDawson8270 wrote:
Cancel the policy then when you get the new one.


It might be cheaper to let the other one run its course than cancel. A lot of places have cancellation fees these days. Idea
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