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PostPosted: 10:47 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Speedo requirement for MOT (sorry if this is a repeat) Reply with quote

I have been reading this - https://www.transportoffice.gov.uk/crt/doitonline/bl/mottestingmanualsandguides/mottestingmanualsandguides.htm
and i just cannot see for looking the part about speedo requirement for MOT. My speedo on a CBR125 no longer works, it is not the drive or the cable but the speedo itself, the MOT is due next week and was wondering if i need to replace it with a second hand one before then or if it is not covered by the current 2014 MOT test specification
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PostPosted: 10:48 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It needs to work but isn't tested so shouldn't matter.
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PostPosted: 10:50 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Present but not tested.

Illegal on the road if its not working... but who would know Wink
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PostPosted: 10:54 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not checked on MOT but a requirement I think under C&U, so basically your MOT tester won't give 2 shits but a copper would if you get a speeding tug and try to say "my speedo is dead so I was pacing to the car that went shooting of ahead of me".

Have you checked it's not just a loose cable?
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PostPosted: 11:04 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

On a similar note: indicators are not required for mot but if you still have the switch/button and they don't work you will be failed even if there are no indicators on the bike, we had to split the controls and remove the button then it sailed through Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:09 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

beardface wrote:
On a similar note: indicators are not required for mot but if you still have the switch/button and they don't work you will be failed even if there are no indicators on the bike, we had to split the controls and remove the button then it sailed through Laughing


Really? Where did you see this? AFAIK you require them on a bike that has any lights fitted, exempting certain age bikes and MX type bikes.
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PostPosted: 11:12 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indicators are required fro a normal MOT on a bike post 1982

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PostPosted: 11:17 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

davebike wrote:
Indicators are required fro a normal MOT on a bike post 1982

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1.5 Direction Indicators

This inspection applies to: all machines except those which either have no front or rear position lamps or have such lamps permanently disconnected, painted over or masked that are:
. only used during daylight hours, and
. not used at times of seriously reduced visibility

If this situation occurs the machine presenter should be issued with a VT32 (advisory notice) recording the above.
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PostPosted: 11:38 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

My KTM is exempt from indicators, despite having front/rear lamps. It also doesn't have a front brake switch which I believe "should" be a fail. Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

davebike wrote:
Indicators are required fro a normal MOT on a bike post 1982

Dave


1986.

If direction indicators are fitted they must meet the requirements of this inspection, but need not be fitted to a machine which:
. cannot exceed 30mph / 50kph, or
. was first used before 1 August 1986, or
. 'off road' machines which are designed
to carry only the rider.
. 'off road' machines with side car designed to carry the rider and one passenger in the side car.

off road machines are constructed or adapted primarily for use off roads (whether by reason of its tyres, suspension, ground clearance or otherwise).
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PostPosted: 12:14 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

davebike wrote:
Indicators are required fro a normal MOT on a bike post 1982

Dave


Useful bit of info that Dave, cheers.

The bikes we got passed with no indicators were a 1970 cd175 and a 1976 400/4 s/s and a mates z650 ('79).

Hand signals ftw!
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PostPosted: 12:14 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

truslack wrote:
davebike wrote:
Indicators are required fro a normal MOT on a bike post 1982

Dave


1986.



Quote:
1.5 Direction Indicators

This inspection applies to: all machines except those which either have no front or rear position lamps or have such lamps permanently disconnected, painted over or masked that are:
. only used during daylight hours, and
. not used at times of seriously reduced visibility

If this situation occurs the machine presenter should be issued with a VT32 (advisory notice) recording the above.

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PostPosted: 12:16 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:

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1.5 Direction Indicators

This inspection applies to: all machines except those which either have no front or rear position lamps or have such lamps permanently disconnected, painted over or masked that are:
. only used during daylight hours, and
. not used at times of seriously reduced visibility

If this situation occurs the machine presenter should be issued with a VT32 (advisory notice) recording the above.


Read the next section of the MOT testers book (Labelled 1.5 Exemptions)

If direction indicators are fitted they must meet the requirements of this inspection, but need not be fitted to a machine which:
. cannot exceed 30mph / 50kph, or
. was first used before 1 August 1986, or
. 'off road' machines which are designed
to carry only the rider.
. 'off road' machines with side car designed to carry the rider and one passenger in the side car.

off road machines are constructed or adapted primarily for use off roads (whether by reason of its tyres, suspension, ground clearance or otherwise).
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

My experience in this matter is thus:

I have a KDX 125 with an obviously smashed and non-working speedo and no indicators. It does have a working headlight and stop/tail light (and number plate light).

I took it for an MoT and dropped it at the place. I walked to the nearest bus stop to get home and before I was even on the bus I got a phone call from them saying "there's no point testing it as it has no indicators". I said that off-road bikes didn't need them according to the manual; he muttered about 25 years of MoT experience and never having heard of this, but said he'd read the MoT manual. He called back and said "right you are, see you later". Later I went back and collected a freshly-MoTed KDX 125, with smashed speedo and no indicators. Note that if it is important, the pillion pegs are also removed, so the bike is only suitable for solo use.
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's contradictory IMO...


Direction Indicators

Information This inspection applies to: all motor bicycles except those which either have no front or rear position lamps or have such lamps permanently disconnected, painted over or masked that are
• only used during daylight hours, and
• not used at times of seriously reduced visibility. If this situation occurs the machine presenter should be issued with a VT32 (advisory notice) recording the above.


Exemptions If direction indicators are fitted they must meet the requirements of this inspection, but need not be fitted to a machine which cannot exceed 30mph / 50kph, or was first used before 1 August 1986, or ‘off road’ motor bicycles that are designed to carry only the rider ‘off road’ motor bicycles with side car designed to carry the rider and one passenger in the side car. ‘Off road’ motor bicycles are constructed or adapted primarily for use off road (whether by reason of its tyres, suspension, ground clearance or otherwise).


In the main body it states they need not be fitted that in exemptions states they need not be fitted to certain bikes.
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 12:36 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
It's contradictory IMO...


That's how tests are listed in the manual, another example is stop lights

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This inspection applies to; all machines except those which have neither front nor rear position lamps, or has such lamps permanently disconnected, painted over or masked that are

. only used during daylight hours, and
. not used at times of seriously reduced visibility

If this situation occurs the vehicle presenter should be issued with a VT32 (advisory notice) recording the above.

Exemptions
For this test if a stop lamp is fitted, it must meet the requirements of this inspection, but need not be fitted to a machine which:

a. cannot exceed 25mph, or
b. was first used before 1 January I936.or
c. was first used before 1 April 1986 and which has an engine capacity of less than 50cc.

Machines first used before 1 April 1986 must have a stop lamp that operates from at least one brake control.

Machines first used on or after 1 April 1986 must have a stop lamp that operates from both brake controls.
However, a small number of machines first used from this date were approved with the stop lamp operated by only one control. A machine should only be failed if you are certain that it was originally manufactured to operate from both controls

On machines without a battery or with an insufficiently charged battery, it will be necessary to run the engine.

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