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PostPosted: 14:54 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Speeding in France Reply with quote

Just a quick question. Whats the situation with points for speeding in France, Spain, Switzerland and Italy at the moment? Can they be put on your UK licence? I've ridden through most of those countries before and I'm going for a long trip this summer, and I'm just curious as to the results of being done for speeding? Fines aren't a big issue its the points I'm more confused about, google seems to say 2 different things.

Thanks in advance.
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PostPosted: 14:57 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

They catch you and fine you on the spot, if you don't pay they seize. That's always how I've seen it, because they can't enforce the fine or whatever when you've left the country.
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PostPosted: 14:59 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can be fined and your bike impounded but as far as I know you cannot get points on your license from abroad.
I'm sure someone with more knowledge will be along shortly
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PostPosted: 15:01 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

When abroad, as a British citizen it's a mandatory requirement for you to set off every speed camera. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
When abroad, as a British citizen it's a mandatory requirement for you to set off every speed camera. Thumbs Up


Then get home to a stack of French tickets demanding payment?!
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PostPosted: 15:10 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

skylineonfire wrote:
Then get home to a stack of French tickets demanding payment?!



Snails are legal tender in France, just post a big bag of them to the address on the ticket and it'll go away.
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PostPosted: 15:14 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

So much for innocent until proven guilty. What if you believe the copper has made a mistake and wish to contest the charge in court? You still have to pay first and then go through endless legal hassle?
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PostPosted: 15:16 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

skylineonfire wrote:
Then get home to a stack of French tickets demanding payment?!

It's not like they could do anything if you didn't pay.

After a 26hr drive in europe at about 95mph all the way, somewhere there's an awesome collection of gatso photos that I'd have been really pleased if the gatso people had been polite enough to send me my holiday photos along with lots of tickets. Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 15:32 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

France.

If the Gendarmes catch you with a mobile unit and stop you, they will fine you, but at present there is no system in place to put points on your licence.

If you're flashed via a speed camera, they will not trace you and send you a ticket ( unless you were doing some ridiculous speed ) it's not worth the bother.

If you're caught above 50 km over the top, the WILL fine you, heavily, and they CAN impound your bike, it would be up to the Gendarmes discretion at the time who stopped you.


If you ride at some ridiculous speed over the top, and they stop you, you're in deep crap.....kiss goodbye to your bike, wife, family...it's Devils Island for you matey.

When you enter a French town / Village there will be a sign with the name on it. From that sign on in, until the exit sign at the other end of the Ville, it's a 50 km limit, that's where most traps will be, just as you enter, and leave. The French motorists / truck drivers are pretty good at letting you know there are traps about, but with little traffic around, you don't always get a warning...

However, I've been here 10 years, don't ( within reason ) hang about, and never been stopped, just use common sense.
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PostPosted: 15:32 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got stopped in France about five years ago for doing 90 in a 90 zone. Monsieur popo was not a happy bunny, the only car for miles when he strides out from behind a haystack to stop it, and it's an ignorant Englishman.
He had an understandable rant which increased in tempo and volume and whilst my French isn't great I had a pretty good idea of what he was saying. With lots of jabbering on his part and me nodding pointing at 90 every time he said Quatre-vingt dix repeatedly (In MPH Twisted Evil ) he eventually shrugged his shoulders, looked mighty pissed off and waved me on my way.

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PostPosted: 16:09 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm curious.

If I got snapped by a Gatso doing 180mph or something, and I'd left the country by the time they saw it, what would happen?
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PostPosted: 16:18 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing. You're not going to be extradited because of a speeding ticket.
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PostPosted: 16:18 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snorty wrote:
I'm curious.

If I got snapped by a Gatso doing 180mph or something, and I'd left the country by the time they saw it, what would happen?


I've heard nothing at indicated 191mph... unsure if camera was there or not, I'd expect so as it was like well over 2 miles long... perfectly straight. Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:18 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snorty wrote:
I'm curious.

If I got snapped by a Gatso doing 180mph or something, and I'd left the country by the time they saw it, what would happen?


Nothing. But if you ever go back to France and the gendarmes identify you, you'll have to do 5 years in the French Foreign Legion...or....no...I got something wrong there Thinking
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

covent.gardens wrote:
So much for innocent until proven guilty. What if you believe the copper has made a mistake and wish to contest the charge in court? You still have to pay first and then go through endless legal hassle?

Yes.

Quid pro quo, it's worked the same way in Soviet UKistan since 2006. Foreign drivers have to (well, are supposed to) pay a "bond" on the spot, then argue their innocence later. I suspect that our local Dibble aren't as up on this as the Euro Dredd though.
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PostPosted: 16:22 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

A stint in Château d'If perhaps.
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PostPosted: 16:24 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
covent.gardens wrote:
So much for innocent until proven guilty. What if you believe the copper has made a mistake and wish to contest the charge in court? You still have to pay first and then go through endless legal hassle?

Yes.

Quid pro quo, it's worked the same way in Soviet UKistan since 2006. Foreign drivers have to (well, are supposed to) pay a "bond" on the spot, then argue their innocence later. I suspect that our local Dibble aren't as up on this as the Euro Dredd though.


This is correct - I dealt with a few of these during my brief stint at the (Führerhauptquartiere) fixed penalty office.
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PostPosted: 16:29 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, it's no different to what we do when foreign drivers here set off cameras. The Poles love it.

If it wasn't for the fact that you can only ride a year on a foreign licence I'd have swapped mine out for another country's years ago.
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

c-m wrote:
Yep, it's no different to what we do when foreign drivers here set off cameras. The Poles love it.

If it wasn't for the fact that you can only ride a year on a foreign licence I'd have swapped mine out for another country's years ago.


They're sneaky - they do DVLA searches to see if you have an English licence so they can bend you over more satisfactorily.
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PostPosted: 16:53 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got a letter from europcar today saying I was speeding in their hire vehicle just over a year ago, and I shouldn't have ignored their letter 6 months ago.

I'm planning to ignore it some more probably, as I imagine the fines plus fees of europcar and the time will be excessive by now. Google suggests the only problem is that if you drive there again they might run your driving licence and get pissy. I sorta need clarification on this as I'm planning to ride to the Monaco GP.
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PostPosted: 17:06 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

mentalboy wrote:
for doing 90 in a 90 zone

Would that be 90MPH in a 90KPH zone?
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I got a letter from europcar today saying I was speeding in their hire vehicle just over a year ago, and I shouldn't have ignored their letter 6 months ago.

The only problem as I see it, is that Europcar will probably have your credit card details on record, and as part of the T`s & C`s of the hire agreement could impose a surcharge on your card to cover the fines
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PostPosted: 17:34 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peirre oBollox wrote:
mentalboy wrote:
for doing 90 in a 90 zone

Would that be 90MPH in a 90KPH zone?
Pyro. wrote:
I got a letter from europcar today saying I was speeding in their hire vehicle just over a year ago, and I shouldn't have ignored their letter 6 months ago.

The only problem as I see it, is that Europcar will probably have your credit card details on record, and as part of the T`s & C`s of the hire agreement could impose a surcharge on your card to cover the fines


I cancelled the card a few weeks after the trip, changed to a different one for some reason. I've not heard anything from the card company, but I'll ring them tomorrow and check. I've been doing some googling that says I should either pay, or not expect to be able to drive in France anytime soon.


Found this too : https://www.historicracer.com/editors-diary/caught-speeding-in-france-big-fines/ which is amusing but a bit scary.
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PostPosted: 17:39 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you are contracted to pay that debt. It's pretty common with hire vehicles. Depending on how much it is they may chase you via a UK debt collection agency.
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PostPosted: 18:09 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peirre oBollox wrote:
mentalboy wrote:
for doing 90 in a 90 zone

Would that be 90MPH in a 90KPH zone?


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(Another thing that's great about France is the huge warning signs on the Autoroutes advising you of the fixed camera exactly x metres ahead)
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PostPosted: 18:44 - 27 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do not believe the DVLA share details with Euroland - definitely not France or Germany so you will not receive tickets if speed camera flashes a UK plate. The reason was that their laws prosecute the owner and not the driver.

This has saved me a few bob over the last few years. I am hoping the admin is done regionally so that if I were stopped the rozzers are not able to play catch up
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