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Suntan Sid
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 Posted: 15:24 - 07 Feb 2014  Post subject: Nothing to hide, nothing to fear? |
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| Posted: 15:55 - 07 Feb 2014 Post subject: |
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I always thought they could anyway, just now it is a click of a button instead of an email with files attached.
For 99.9% of us there will be no real issues. For the 0.1% (about 70,000) there may be some issues, but they may be the ones WE want to be looked at on our behalf.
What are the alternatives? Machete wielding nutter going into an infant school cutting up the children and school teachers? It has happened, could it have been prevented? I don't know, but I'm sure he could have been more on the radar than he was.
The ripper murders could have been sorted many years earlier if they had had a system that talked to each force instead of basic index cards that got lost if someone was reading them. IT systems now make it easier.
Ok, I don't like Tesco knowing about my shopping habits so I don't have one of their loyalty cards, if you do then you have already bought into the monitoring thing anyway, I don't really want every Tom, Dick and Harlot knowing things about me, but in reality most of your info is already known, whether it is bike insurance, tax returns, credit card purchases, on line searches, where you have driven, phone calls. Knowing that I have diarrhoea after drinking cabbage water on my medical records and the police knowing about it doesn't rank up there with the issues that I have to worry about.
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| Posted: 17:18 - 07 Feb 2014 Post subject: |
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I think a lot of worry about this is tinfoil-hat panic personally. It does of course have potential for problems as any large information database does, but it also has a vast amount of positive benefits.
As snoo mentioned, to name but a few
| Quote: | -Rozzers get a report of a nutter saying he's gonna jump from a building roof - including a name. They can quickly get some data, history of mental heath problems? Tailor their approach to help talk him out of it.
-Paramedics can get your name from you after an accident, they log on and see what you're allergic too? |
Police in particular are dealing with and ending up 'caring' for mental health patients/related crime more and more as other services get overloaded and submerged. If they're going to lock someone in a cell overnight due to lack of understanding/awareness about their condition, or lack of beds available in a more appropriate setting at that time, its best they know exactly what they're dealing with. This sort of system has been born ironically out of people persistently prodding at the police blaming them for cell-suicides and the like, when they rarely have a clue about the individual, let alone how to handle the situation by the time it kicks off.
In real terms, negative possibilities in the worst case scenario would be perhaps increased costs/refusal of certain insurance based on previous or current medical history, and a bit of extra spam through your letter box. Annoying in a few cases yes, but not really serious enough to neglect all the benefits, and both those are likely doubtful anyway in my opinion.
Firstly just because there are clauses to allow this data to be shared in certain circumstances doesn't mean it will be approved. | Quote: | Section 251 can be used to disseminate identifiable information from care data to other organisations. [without your consent]
Section 251 approval is granted after organisations have successfully applied to the Confidentiality Advisory Group (CAG). The Secretary of State for Health takes the advice of the CAG under consideration when determining whether to apply Section 251. |
Secondly pharma companies are not going to find it worth their while in most cases sending out junk mail along the lines of 'we know you have x, buy our pills to get better'. They will much more likely invest their time and money as they do now lobbying politicians and governments to bring their medication in as preferencial treatments, or the 'latest fix' for GPs to administer to joe bloggs when he comes in feeling depressed.
If this was in the US with health insurance - it would be more of a potential issue/incentive for it to be mis-used. However with the NHS over here, its largely irrelevant in my opinion.
| fatpies wrote: | Secondly if you havent noticed the trend when police get shown up for their incompetence they now have additional options to blacken your character. |
If anything it would be the opposite I would expect. With the information available about someones mental health problems theres little excuse for them to react excessively to stop 'a man behaving threateningly', when they've been informed hes someone with a mental illness. There is even more expectation on them with that information available to react in a reasonable and planned way rather than tasering them outright for example. Of course whether they care or consider it anymore than now is another matter - but it would put them in an even worse light than they would be currently if they didn't take notice and alter their approach. |
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| Posted: 18:13 - 07 Feb 2014 Post subject: |
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Plod can access your medical records now, however they need a warrant!
That little proviso has now been dissappeared, which gives plod the right to trawl through medical records, profile and build a case against anyone they don't like the look of, anyone they want to give a bit of grief to, anyone who looks at them a bit funny, etc etc etc, FFS!
The article also implies that your data will be available to all and sundry, if they're prepared to hand over enough £££'s! 
But hey ho, life goes on! 
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| Posted: 18:38 - 07 Feb 2014 Post subject: |
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Other than the invasion of privacy, it doesn't bother me.
It could be useful in compo cases (someone has a neck injury) and they claim it happened after the car crash when really it hadn't. Again the other side is this could be abused by insurers never wanting to pay out in legit cases where you had a minor bump when you were 6 years old and they're blaming that for the broken back you've just received from a smidsy.
God damn fence sitting.
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| Suntan Sid wrote: | Plod can access your medical records now, however they need a warrant! |
I don't think they do. We are obliged to provide any information that is in the public interest. There isn't, and never has been, any absolute duty of confidentiality. I'm not saying that's right, I'm saying that nothing has changed.
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| swampy wrote: | | Suntan Sid wrote: | Plod can access your medical records now, however they need a warrant! |
I don't think they do. We are obliged to provide any information that is in the public interest. There isn't, and never has been, any absolute duty of confidentiality. I'm not saying that's right, I'm saying that nothing has changed. |
If its related to prosecution I believe its accessible without warrant - through the CPS anyway. The problem is who decides whats 'in the public interest' without the full picture. My understanding of the new proposition is it would be more 'on the go' available to police to bring into play when they have suspicions about something for example, as a way of verifying if its a legitimate cause for concern or not.
Its essentially streamlining the liasing between services, be it health-to-health or health-to-police and vice versa. Similar issues have been raised about gun-licensing the last year or two. Currently its not nescessary or often an option for police to request mental health backgrounds on people they are aware have firearms licenses unless they are directly involved in an investigation or prosecution. So whether police have suspicions or not, they may not be able to get follow up information.
Similarly GP's etc will not usually be made aware of someones access to a gun-license for example, regardless of their medical diagnosis or treatment. The new system should allow much more open sharing of this kind of thing so things can be tracked and adjusted accordingly as peoples situation changes. Currently short of someone forcibly exiting a secure unit during assessment, regardless of peoples opinion on their mental health, many people with mental health problems recieving community-care will be entirely off the police radar, regardless of their potential threat. Its only when it becomes considered really serious and imminent the police might be informed, and by then they would ideally be in secure-care anyway so its largely irrelevant, or too late. |
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