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barrkel
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PostPosted: 00:27 - 06 Feb 2014    Post subject: Close call Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkRVJNmWmT8

Closest one yet since my off early last year.

Lot of dodgy drivers on the roads today owing to the tube strikes.
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PostPosted: 00:47 - 06 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

A quick shake of the head to show displeasure and its forgotten, I like it.
It was close but fair play for not whining like a cyclist about it. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 07:15 - 07 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riding in the gutter probably didn't help.
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PostPosted: 19:54 - 07 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

That would have made me quite angry, he came out quite far! But you have to make yourself as visible as possible, he might have seen you had you been nearer to the middle of the road.
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 07 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

ooft! Pretty close. As above, don't ride so fat to the left. You're making it harder for yourself.
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 07 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I rode closer to the right, I'd hit a kid coming out from between cars.

The danger on the left didn't happen until approaching the junction, at which point I moved to a central position.

That gave me enough time to dodge the car whole even though he came right out.

Riding closer to the center line would have been the wrong thing to do as a rule. It may have helped this specific scenario, but as a rule it would be more dangerous.

For example, I normally ride this road on the right hand side when coming up the other way.
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PostPosted: 23:25 - 12 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is it with Audis and BMWs ? The people who drive them seem to be educationally sub-normal when it comes to road sense.
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recman
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PostPosted: 00:04 - 13 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Motorhate wrote:
What is it with Audis and BMWs ? The people who drive them seem to be educationally sub-normal when it comes to road sense.


No.
When you buy an Audi or BMW, you get a certificate of road ownership.
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PostPosted: 00:19 - 13 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty unlucky as you were only riding that day due to the tube strikes.

Poor road positioning and poor obs.

You can see the Audi approaching the junction but not slowing down, and riding in the gutter is for n00bs on peds.
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PostPosted: 03:09 - 13 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Pretty

Ste, there is literally not a single correct statement in your post. I don't think you even ride.

FWIW this road has turnoffs to the right that act as shortcuts used by pedestrians ands cyclists, they pop out from between the cars regularly. The road also has a right hand bend in it. You have to ride right in the left gutter to see through the bend. Meanwhile the junction the car comes out of has good visibility so you can see what's coming - and they can see you, normally - so it's a very poor choice of line to ride anywhere else.

I did come out to the middle of the road when I got as far as the junction. The car wasn't that difficult to dodge.

This road is 30 seconds from my house. I've ridden it perhaps 2000 times each way.

P.S. I take the tube about three times a year, about 12k scooter miles and 10k big bike miles.
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PostPosted: 12:45 - 13 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing

Can disagree about the road positioning but it was still poor obs. Of course, if you were on your scooter then that completely explains your road positioning. Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 18:50 - 13 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

In all fairness despite the road positioning etc, the car didn't even stop to look. He just carried on.

Even if he did look as he did this, it's unlikely he would have spotted the scooter with such a quick look, especially at night.

As for the road positioning, I'd kinda agree with the OP. Parked cars on the right, I'd generally stay away from them in case of car doors opening, people running out from in between cars or cars pulling out of parking spaces without looking. Although could have moved a bit more to the right and still be quite a safe distance from the parked cars.

However I'd also say maybe a tad too fast for the conditions. May look faster though in the video. If I see or know that a junction is coming up I'd already be slowing down and still be ready to brake. Especially if views of the junction from my point of view is difficult, it's most likely difficult for cars pulling out of the junction to see me.

Despite what you did right or wrong, as I said the car clearly didn't even stop. Granted it's not a requirement to stop but seeing as there is parked cars on the road he came down, his view was limited until the last minute and in that situation If I was the car driver I would have stopped as there was no way I could make an accurate observation of the road I was to pull out onto with the parked cars in the way. Not to mention he was supposed to give way regardless of what speed you were doing or where you were positioned.
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PostPosted: 21:56 - 13 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

mikesaa309 wrote:
However I'd also say maybe a tad too fast for the conditions.


That is slow.

You are slow, step away from the keyboard.

OP, why you no stop and deck driver?
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PostPosted: 22:08 - 13 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing I do, faster I go more close to the center line I ride, gives me more space for maneuvering = more time to solve stuff. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:09 - 13 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:


That is slow.

You are slow, step away from the keyboard.

OP, why you no stop and deck driver?


Rolling Eyes I like how I'm dangerous when I say I want to do 90+ mph on a open road but slow because I think it's too fast for the conditions?

There's parked cars to the right and a junction. Plus it's at night and visibility is reduced. I obviously can't tell how fast he was actually going but on the video looked faster than 30. Not that I can talk about sticking to speed limits but if I feel the speed I'm doing is unsafe or massively increase the risk of me crashing due to something like a junction ahead then I will slow down to reduce that risk. Even when I'm doing the limit I may slow down If I feel its unsafe.

I'll now just wait until someone, out of a small group of members, contradict what I just said even though they'd say the same thing.
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PostPosted: 23:33 - 13 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

mikesaa309 wrote:
some garbage


Just to equal it here, OP is a scooter riding homosex... I have no time for de scootay riders. Wink
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PostPosted: 23:55 - 13 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good riding, good swerve, good temper. I would have gone mental at them. Laughing

Don't know how people can say poor obs, the car was in view for a second and he successfully avoided them. Confused
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