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bikertomm
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PostPosted: 15:14 - 21 Feb 2014    Post subject: Rioting mess in kiev.. Reply with quote
HD Video of it, literally like a warzone..

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=394118484058625&set=vb.356705407799933&type=2&theater

4.11 guy wearing a motorbike helmet!

5.28 holy fuck would not like to be driving that..

Some mental violence going on out there..

Can anyone TL;DR why this is happening? I don't really understand or have followed the news.

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PostPosted: 15:17 - 21 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
https://1-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/vp/image/1378/60/1378602015629.gif

Looks like the rebels have just got their hands on a nuke plant....

https://portuguese.ruvr.ru/news/2014_02_20/oposicionistas-ucranianos-capturam-usina-atomica-de-rovno-4269/

google translate version
https://i.imgur.com/uySzlqr.png

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PostPosted: 15:35 - 21 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
It goes back to WW2, when a lot of Russians moved there.
The longer term answer will likely be a separate state for the area where most of them live.

Assuming previous elections weren't rigged I don't have huge sympathy for the rioters personally.
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PostPosted: 15:43 - 21 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
tl;dr https://rt.com/news/ukraine-maidan-protest-developments-982/

That is a tl'dr account of what's happened. Ukraine refused to sign an EU agreement, protests started and fairly quickly turned violent and it went from there. On the 16th of February an amnesty was agreed if all the protesters left the governbent buildings they had taken and then everything went quiet.

Three days ago it all kicked off again only with much more violence. Protesters and police were using guns, police snipers were killing protesters, yesterday 57 police were captured by protesters.

https://rt.com/files/news/22/a9/e0/00/000_par7798131.jpg

Today there has been an agreement for the police to pull back and for there to be an early election but there are rumours that the worst is still to come. The country appears to be on the brink of civil war as the pro-Russia east and south Ukraine are never going to agree with the pro-EU north and west Ukraine.

Right now there's a run on banks, shops and petrol stations as well as many people leaving the country.

It's far from being over despite there being an agreement reached today as the extremists have been saying how they're not following the opposition leaders.
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PostPosted: 20:34 - 21 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
They can't have much in the way of natural resources or the yanks would be in there 'helping out' by now Smile
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PostPosted: 20:55 - 21 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pete. wrote:
They can't have much in the way of natural resources or the yanks would be in there 'helping out' by now Smile



See Syria?

Situation is almost identical.

Syria wouldn't let them build a gas pipe from the Saudi peninsular, therefore they were declared terrorists and had to be exterminated.

Ukraine however happens to be the main conduit for Gazprom to pipe their gas and oil into Europe.


If the Ukraine joins the EU then the EU benefits and gets all sorts of trade bonuses. If they don't Russia gets these bonuses. The Ukrainian government is not working for our profits.

Therefore Ukrainians have been declared terrorists and therefore must be exterminated.

BTW they have past form:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/nov/26/ukraine.usa

Also remember a few weeks ago? the tape about f**k the EU? some commentators suggest that the fact they are discussing what happens afterwards is evidence they are behind it.


Plus $5bn given to the opposition in December. Guess they haven't learned the lesson of Afghanistan..
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PostPosted: 21:03 - 21 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
As far as I can make out, the ordinary ukranians want to be more democratic, like Europe, their current leaders, want to keep it as it is, more socialistic..... I think..... correct me if I'm wrong Neutral
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 21 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pete. wrote:
They can't have much in the way of natural resources or the yanks would be in there 'helping out' by now Smile


Fight for Obama's oil!!!
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PostPosted: 21:25 - 21 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Therefore Ukrainians have been declared terrorists and therefore must be exterminated.

"If you don't support this [deal] you'll have martial law, the army. You will all be dead,"

https://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-02-21/polish-minister-tells-protest-leader-you-will-all-be-dead/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10654239/Polish-foreign-minister-warns-Ukraine-protest-leaders-Sign-deal-or-you-will-all-die.html
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 21 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Monkeyjoe wrote:
As far as I can make out, the ordinary ukranians want to be more democratic, like Europe, their current leaders, want to keep it as it is, more socialistic..... I think..... correct me if I'm wrong Neutral

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvds2AIiWLA

What the pro-EU protesters in the south and west of Ukraine want is different to what pro-Russia protesters in the north and east of Ukraine want.

The 'agreement' reached today that means that will be early elections isn't going to be the end of it. There isn't going to be peace until the two sides go their separate ways. Civil war?
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PostPosted: 00:19 - 22 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ste wrote:


The 'agreement' reached today that means that will be early elections isn't going to be the end of it. There isn't going to be peace until the two sides go their separate ways. Civil war?



They could always split the country, UK will be split into England and Scotland next year anyway. So it can be done.
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PostPosted: 03:10 - 22 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Watching this video (muted) alongside pink floyd - shine on you crazy diamonds.....Powerful and moving!
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PostPosted: 03:42 - 22 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
fatpies wrote:
Ste wrote:


The 'agreement' reached today that means that will be early elections isn't going to be the end of it. There isn't going to be peace until the two sides go their separate ways. Civil war?



They could always split the country, UK will be split into England and Scotland next year anyway. So it can be done.

Geographically, not easy.
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PostPosted: 04:05 - 22 Feb 2014    Post subject: Re: Rioting mess in kiev.. Reply with quote
bikertomm wrote:
Can anyone TL;DR why this is happening? I don't really understand or have followed the news.
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Nor have you looked in the correct section where there is a multipage thread about it all....

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=284233&highlight=
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 22 Feb 2014    Post subject: Re: Rioting mess in kiev.. Reply with quote
bikertomm wrote:
HD Video of it, literally like a warzone..

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=394118484058625&set=vb.356705407799933&type=2&theater

4.11 guy wearing a motorbike helmet!

5.28 holy fuck would not like to be driving that..

Some mental violence going on out there..

Can anyone TL;DR why this is happening? I don't really understand or have followed the news.

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Cool video, needs a backing track though, something like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouwCWDbBskU
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Huge respect to the police putting up with the crap they are having to deal with.
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PostPosted: 11:56 - 03 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
one fucked up dick swinging contest between putin and obama

putin is trying to prove he has a big cock and he's not gay

obama is a black man and knows he has a big cock

this could escalate into the end for us all
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