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BG5067
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PostPosted: 10:52 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Full License without taking test Reply with quote

Good morning BCF-ers

A friend of mine had his license suspended (or something to that effect) due to diabetes, I'm not sure the reasons why it's none of my business.

He was put on new medication and now his diabetes has greatly improved and he contacted the DVLA to say he would like his license back as he's ok now.

Few weeks later his pink license turned up and it shows he has a full motorbike license.

He's bought a 600cc Kawasaki but I was wondering what will happen if he gets pulled over? is their a way the Police can check if he has done a MOD 1&2?
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PostPosted: 10:54 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 11:04 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im guessing it actually says A (79) and not A

Which means he is entitled to drive a trike, not a motorbike.

The licenceing rules changed rearding trikes sometime last year, and all new licences now reflect this.
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PostPosted: 11:13 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive just asked him to check and it shows full motorbike license

I havent seen it myself just goijg by his word
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://s12.postimg.org/9nfopmefx/IMG_20130307_113837.jpg

This image shows a new driving licence, showing a tricycle only entitelment. All new licences issued in about the last 12 months or so, show this.
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PostPosted: 11:27 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If what he says is true and it does show a little bike pic.it will be ok if the police check
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PostPosted: 11:31 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes he has the dates in the A license.
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PostPosted: 11:38 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

why don't I have a trike license. do you need a car license for it?

https://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t309/bengowlan/CAM00014_zps6ea64c2b.jpg
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PostPosted: 12:05 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got my car licence back with the Category A on it and got excited, then I pulled my head out my arse and researched it... Fail. 99% your mate will have the trike entitlement and have to either flog his bike or do his tests, if he's bothered.
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PostPosted: 12:14 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lee Wright wrote:
I got my car licence back with the Category A on it and got excited, then I pulled my head out my arse and researched it... Fail. 99% your mate will have the trike entitlement and have to either flog his bike or do his tests, if he's bothered.



well I can't confirm but his license is the same as mine above.
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember similar when an examiner forgot to check a box which gave a 33bhp'er a full unrestricted A. Obviously they do mess up. I'd be needing some proof that I was definitely on the system as having full A before I bought a 600 and started riding it though. I think the only way to know for sure is to have a copper check, and that might not be the best time to find out you haven't got what you thought you had.
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PostPosted: 12:21 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

covent.gardens wrote:
I remember similar when an examiner forgot to check a box which gave a 33bhp'er a full unrestricted A. Obviously they do mess up. I'd be needing some proof that I was definitely on the system as having full A before I bought a 600 and started riding it though. I think the only way to know for sure is to have a copper check, and that might not be the best time to find out you haven't got what you thought you had.



Yeah he says he wants to get it check but at the same time worried it'll get taken away lol
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

BG5067 wrote:
why don't I have a trike license. do you need a car license for it?

https://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t309/bengowlan/CAM00014_zps6ea64c2b.jpg


Yes, under the new rules, a full Car licence (B category) entitles you to drive a trike.

I'm not sure if your full A licence allows you to drive a trike, I've not checked up on it, as I don't own enough tassles or leather chaps to drive one
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Northern Monkey wrote:
Yes, under the new rules, a full Car licence (B category) entitles you to drive a trike.
On the gov website it seems to say you now need a CBT/A1/A2/A license depending on the power of the tricycle? I'd always thought tricycles were treated like quads and required a car license being more than 2 wheels Confused

https://www.gov.uk/ride-motorcycle-moped/overview
If you’re not physically disabled and want to ride a motor tricycle you’ll now need to get the right provisional entitlement and complete CBT.

You’ll need a full category A1 motorbike licence to ride motor tricycles up to power output 15kW, and a full category A motorbike licence to ride trikes with a power output more than 15kW.

Once you’ve completed CBT you have 2 years to pass your full motorbike theory and practical tests or you’ll have to complete CBT again.


https://www.gov.uk/driving-licence-categories
Physically disabled drivers with provisional category B entitlement will also have provisional entitlement to ride category A1 or A motor tricycles. Able-bodied drivers can no longer ride motor tricycles with a provisional category B licence.

EDIT - Seems to be if you have a full category B car driving licence issued before 19 January 2013 you can ride trikes, otherwise it now requires a bike test of some degree. Confused myself now :roll:https://i60.tinypic.com/2gvvqd2.jpg
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Matt- wrote:

Once you’ve completed CBT you have 2 years to pass your full motorbike theory and practical tests or you’ll have to complete CBT again.


How the fu​ck is anyone going to wheel one of those backwards into the 2nd box* or even come close to completing the hazard avoidance test without wiping out every cone in the test area?


*Particularly if you have a disability that means you are unable to ride a motorcycle.
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PostPosted: 13:07 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScaredyCat wrote:
-Matt- wrote:

Once you’ve completed CBT you have 2 years to pass your full motorbike theory and practical tests or you’ll have to complete CBT again.


How the fu​ck is anyone going to wheel one of those backwards into the 2nd box* or even come close to completing the hazard avoidance test without wiping out every cone in the test area?


*Particularly if you have a disability that means you are unable to ride a motorcycle.




Will be challenging for someone who is disabled
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PostPosted: 13:07 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good point about the physically disabled people - can't see how they're going to use a trike to do the full A1/A2/A Confused unless they're excempt from it. It says they automatically have provisional A1/A with a provisional B - so maybe once they get a full B the same full status is applied to their A1/A provisional also?
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PostPosted: 14:34 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get photo... simple
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PostPosted: 14:45 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was a thing recently with some trikists getting all up in arms over changes.
For the most part trikes being essentially a styling exercise over function, less of them around going on about being "bikers" doesn't worry me Smile.
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PostPosted: 15:32 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
There was a thing recently with some trikists getting all up in arms over changes.
For the most part trikes being essentially a styling exercise over function, less of them around going on about being "bikers" doesn't worry me Smile.


Any that want to ride/drive one now, if they didn't pass their car test before 19-01-2013, will actually be bikers since they'll need to pass a bike test.
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still can't understand why they haven't brought quads in line with the trikes after this change.

Just because it has 4 wheels you need a B license - even though everything about it in terms of controls and how you use it is essentially like a motorcycle Doh!
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PostPosted: 15:40 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does this mean that you'd be required to wear a helmet too then, since classifying the license required as 'Motorcycle' wouldn't the mode of transport be pushed into that category too?
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PostPosted: 15:45 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think you'd still be fine without one even though you need the license to ride it - as it only specifies specifically riders of motorcycles/scooters must wear them.
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On all journeys, the rider and pillion passenger on a motorcycle, scooter or moped MUST wear a protective helmet. This does not apply to a follower of the Sikh religion while wearing a turban. Helmets MUST comply with the Regulations and they MUST be fastened securely. Riders and passengers of motor tricycles and quadricycles, also called quadbikes, should also wear a protective helmet. Before each journey check that your helmet visor is clean and in good condition.
Laws RTA 1988 sects 16 & 17 & MC(PH)R as amended reg 4

That would explain someone I saw in a Turban on a scooter in Bristol last year Shocked wondered how the hell he hadn't got pulled over Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who goes out and buys a motorbike without knowing for sure that he has it on his license Laughing Laughing


Also has he ever ridden a bike before? Not sure if going on the road with a 600 never having been on a bike before is a good idea. If is the case that is.


Either way, it would be nice for the dvla to mess up in favour for once.


Could your friend not check by seeing if the date in his A category is the same date he passed his car test? Which would confirm our skepticism?
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PostPosted: 16:01 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Matt- wrote:
Think you'd still be fine without one even though you need the license to ride it - as it only specifies specifically riders of motorcycles/scooters must wear them.


You're probably right but it seems odd to require a license to drive/ride one class of vehicle and then have to use it to ride/drive another different class... IYSWIM..
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