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 Posted: 11:08 - 17 Mar 2014 Post subject: 5 richest families in UK worth more than the poorest 20% |
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The combined wealth of the UK's top five billionaires and their families is more than £28.1 billion, an Oxfam report says
The country's five richest families are wealthier than the poorest 20 per cent of the population, a leading charity has revealed.
A report by Oxfam showed that, at £28.2 billion, the combined wealth of the top five billionaires and their families is more than the £28.1 billion of the 12.6 million people who are society's poorest.
Titled A Tale Of Two Britains, the report shows that 0.1 per cent of the population have seen their income grow by £24,000 a year, while the incomes of the poorest 90% of Britons have gone up by an average of £2.82 a week, or £147 a year.
Britain's richest family, the Grosvenors, headed by the Duke of Westminster, has a fortune of around £7.9 billion, which is more than the bottom 10 per cent of the population combined.
The Grosvenors' wealth derives largely from owning 190 acres of real estate in London's Belgravia, near Buckingham Palace, according to the Forbes rich list.
Widening inequality creates a "vicious circle where wealth and power are increasingly concentrated in the hands of a few, leaving the rest behind," says the report.
"The extreme levels of wealth inequality occurring in Britain today threaten to exclude the poorest, whose standards of living are being squeezed as they are hit by increasing costs for basics like food and energy bills and cuts to services and support when they are most needed," it says.
The top five richest families also include David and Simon Reuben, whose £6.9 billion fortune comes from metals and property, and the Hinduja brothers, whose trucking and banking businesses have netted them £6 billion.
The Cadogan family is worth around £4 billion from owning property and land in Chelsea and Knightsbridge in London and Cadogan Estates, while the fifth richest person is Newcastle United FC owner and Sports Direct clothing chain boss Mike Ashley, whose fortune is valued at £3.3 billion. |
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This again?
Take all the numbers from the bank accounts of those 5 families.
Distribute it among the poor.
Hurrah, everyone has slightly more numbers. And everything costs slightly more, to the exact same degree. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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So can he afford to buy there?
Rent is set by what someone else who also wants it is prepared to pay.
If the going rate was halved he'd be working for less or someone else on a lower income would live there.
The root cause of stupid high rents is too many people wanting to live in the same place.
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Except isn't set at the free market.
Rent has all sorts of distortions attached to it.
Rent has a floor set by housing benefit.
It is distorted by council houses.
It is also distorted by government mandates on standards.
The very fact shanty towns and 'traveller' camps aren't allowed is proof of this. ____________________ "It's easy to attack and destroy an act of creation. It's a lot more difficult to perform one" |
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Wait...
I'm confused? Don't we all hate the poor because they're all money grabbing doleys? Or worse still immigrant doleys?
As always this misses the point - don't hate the rich or the poor. We would all do broadly similar to what the Grosvenors do given half the chance. Instead, the problem comes from the game we are playing... If you want equality then change the system... maybe get rid of inheritance, or maybe reset credit histories and bank accounts (fight club style or otherwise), perhaps we could get rid of ownership - property laws based purely on usage?
People will always do the best for themselves, change the rules of the game if you want it played differently. ____________________ current: ducati monster 750
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| smegballs wrote: | I was debating anarchists on this last night, the whole private vs personal property stuff too.
Apparently I can own a lathe as my own possesion for fun/hobby and that is fine. I can use the lathe for my own self-employed business and that is okay too. If employ someone else to use the very same lathe, when the business grows, the lathe magically turns into private property and I've made the employee a wage slave (that's bad). If I rent out the lathe at a flat rate, but the guy who hires the lathe gets to keep all his output apparently it's a borderline whether it is good or not.
IMO, it's just a man with a lathe, the lathe is his and he can do wtf he wants with it. |
Yeah, you're quite right. I don't particularly know what the answer is. What I do know is that blaming one section of society for all of society's ills is the main thing that retains the status quo. Anarchy is a nice idea until people stop playing nice or need to get a big task accomplished.
Instead of working for a complete overhaul everyone tugs gently in different directions for minor changes... tax the rich more! stop the benefit cheats! give me more money and take it from 'them'! We will never have a reformed society in this way.
I personally think getting rid of inheritance would be the best way... inheritance tax at 100% then it either gets spent or shared around. Probably wouldn't work in an international economy though - borders would have to be closed to prevent money leaving before death.
Problem is though, I think everyone has it just nice enough now. You're never going to stop complaining, you're never going to give people all they want. But, it's just about good enough to keep everyone in their place. ____________________ current: ducati monster 750
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Must be one of the drafter's statement's made this year.
The chances are that the lower 20% have more debt than money. There for, if you have a pound in your pocket. There is a good chance that you are richer than all of the lower 20% in this country. In fact you could say the whole world.
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I'm most definately poor, but I feel like I am living in a land of opportunity/golden age:
Food costs as a proportion of income are probably the lowest they have ever been ever.
I can (bar stuff like flying) for relativelty little expenditure (sub £200 quid) get the gear to try a new sport/activity on my doorstep.
For less than a hundred quid I can board a giant flying machine that costs millions of pounds and get a travel thousands of miles.
For my electronics hobby, components are so cheap it is laughable. I buy resistor packs from china that work out to about 0.1p per item.
I have access to the biggest repository of information in human knowledge which I can use to teach myself almost anything from crochet to rocket science.
For a relatively tiny amount of money, I can buy electronic items to access said resource.
Most poor people I know, and lots of my mates fall into this category, have themselves to blame for their lack of opportunities/fun. So many people I know complain about being "skint", yet seem to have a pint in their hand, iphone/galaxy in their pocket. If you spend it in the right places, you can have a shit load of fun on barely any cash.
Not to mention young, healthy people sitting on the dole and complaining how shit it is (again lots of mates in this category). Considering there are places all over the world that are willing to exchange work for food/accomodation + perks (sometimes). I can't see why anyone stays. If your going to be poor either way, do what I do and go be poor in a hot sunny country, whilst learning a skill/language at the same time. My plan for is sept/oct is to work in a portuguese surf resort (food, accomodation and free use of their gear), sure I won't be making any money, but I get to meet loads of new people and live on the beach surfing for two months for free. |
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| smegballs wrote: | I'm most definately poor, but I feel like I am living in a land of opportunity/golden age:
Food costs as a proportion of income are probably the lowest they have ever been ever.
I can (bar stuff like flying) for relativelty little expenditure (sub £200 quid) get the gear to try a new sport/activity on my doorstep.
For less than a hundred quid I can board a giant flying machine that costs millions of pounds and get a travel thousands of miles.
For my electronics hobby, components are so cheap it is laughable. I buy resistor packs from china that work out to about 0.1p per item.
I have access to the biggest repository of information in human knowledge which I can use to teach myself almost anything from crochet to rocket science.
For a relatively tiny amount of money, I can buy electronic items to access said resource.
Most poor people I know, and lots of my mates fall into this category, have themselves to blame for their lack of opportunities/fun. So many people I know complain about being "skint", yet seem to have a pint in their hand, iphone/galaxy in their pocket. If you spend it in the right places, you can have a shit load of fun on barely any cash.
Not to mention young, healthy people sitting on the dole and complaining how shit it is (again lots of mates in this category). Considering there are places all over the world that are willing to exchange work for food/accomodation + perks (sometimes). I can't see why anyone stays. If your going to be poor either way, do what I do and go be poor in a hot sunny country, whilst learning a skill/language at the same time. My plan for is sept/oct is to work in a portuguese surf resort (food, accomodation and free use of their gear), sure I won't be making any money, but I get to meet loads of new people and live on the beach surfing for two months for free. |
Try the ski resorts in winter too. Chalet hosts seem to have a fairly decent life depending on the company... ____________________ current: ducati monster 750
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