Hornet 600 on an A2 license *Updated*

[Az]

I've had a look into a Honda Hornet 600's power output and it looks like before 2002 they produced 70kw and as the new law's are based on KW and not BHP does this mean A2 license holders can restrict a Honda Hornet 600 as it produces 70kw?

My sources of information:
https://www.mbike.com/honda/cb600s/2002
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_CB600F
https://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/honda_cb_600_f_hornet_2002.php

It could well be that the website above (especially wikipedia) are providing the wrong figures but if they are correct, this means a pre 2002 hornet can be ridden on an A2 license right?

Edit:
Other sources of info'-
https://www.hondahornet.org.uk/messageboard/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=30190
https://eng.auto24.ee/used/916501
https://www.rental-motorcycle.com/motorcycle_info/hondacb600hornet.html
https://motoprofi.com/motospecspictures/honda/cb_600_f_hornet-2002.html
https://ebookily.org/pdf/honda-part-nr-cb-600-hornet-98-02-156731554.html (Hornet has 61.4kw at the rear wheel standard, so assuming you lose around 10-15% from crank to wheel, 70kw could well be the crank figure).
https://www.southerncarparts.com/honda-cbr600f-hornet-megafon-akrapovic-exhaust-p-4177.html - CB600F Dyno (original vs akrapovic) when standard the Hornet had 69.1KW/94bhp maximum power.

Something else i found to support the old Fazer's are within 70kw - https://www.fazer-hispania.com/historico_versiones/2001_fzs600_fazer.pdf

[clancy]

what is the Kw limit ? 70?

depends where you look, bikez says a 2001 is 71.5Kw

https://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/honda_cb_600_f_hornet_2001.php
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[Az]

I believe the limit is 70kw, as the bike has to be restricted to 35kw and cannot originally produce more than double 35kw in order to be restricted.

[Az]

[clancy]

yeah im not sure where these websites get there information to be honest. i think your best bet is like you said, get an official answer from honda and go with what they say

unless things have changed from the 33 bhp restriction days, no one in the world checks anyway
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[Rogerborg]

It is a tricky one and as far as I know, we don't have a definitive answer. It would be great to get it resolved, and I'd hope that Honda's figure - if you can get it in writing - would be accepted by the tools of the State.
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[Llama-Farmer]

Can't answer the question you've asked, but I've got a Hornet myself and heard they aren't the best for restricting (inline 4s in general).

I did DAS so never had to restrict my bike, but was told to look at a twin instead if I was going to restrict a bike. Just something to consider.
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[dydey90]

Some sources claim that early models of GSXR 600's make ever so slightly less than 70kW.

I'd expect problems trying it on with any bike not of the official DVLA A2 list, unless you manage to find a particularly slack-jawed insurer.
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[Rogerborg]

[P.]

That is a no for the Hornet.

It is too powerful. Regardless of what you read, its around 74kW.

[Rogerborg]

Maybe. Pre-2002 might have claimed just under 70kW. Honda-san will need to confirm.
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[Az]

So as an update, I rang my local dealer and asked if they could provide me with the power figures of the Honda CB600F Hornet 1998-2002 he then replied with "We don't have that kind of information on our computers mate but it's got around 90bhp mate" so I said thanks, put down and rang Honda Motorcycles Customer Service (01753590510).
Honda's customer services then said they didn't have the figures either as the bike is so old and said they'd pass my query onto head office. The women on the phone provided me with a reference number (1074109) and said I should expect a response within the next 3 working days.

[Az]

[P.]

I'd be 50/50 on the Fazer. It is a slightly detuned Thundertwat lump, so is still around the 95hp marker.

[Az]

[Rogerborg]

Indeed, and you have to be careful about which "horsepower" you're talking about anyway. Mechanical (brake) and metric (aka PS) are slightly different, and we're already quivering on the edge here.
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[Az]

[Rogerborg]

““maximum net power output”, in relation to an engine, means the maximum net power output measured under full engine load”;

That's literally[*] what we've got to work with.

This is (nearly) the wording used in 80/1269/EEC and so I assume - note, assume - that this is the procedure that they expect to be followed.

That means: engine on a bench, power measured at crankshaft. I won't guess at the exact details since the latest consolidated, amended version isn't available in English.

You could ask Whitehall, you could ask VOSA or the DVLA or the CPS or Uncle Tom Cobbley, you can file it as a FOI, but I guarantee that the answer will be "We do not hold that information and nothing compels us to create it."

[*] In the literal sense of literal.
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[P.]

It is too powerful, but sure, waste more time looking.

[Rogerborg]

[Doovy]

First time I've heard people say the Hornet is 'too powerful'
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[P.]

[Az]

I got a phone call from Honda today, unfortunately the Honda Hornet 600 from 1998-2002 produced 96bhp/71kw.
I suppose it could be argued that over the years its lost that 1Kw needed to be in the 70kw bracket and A2 compliant but, I personally wouldn't risk it.

I've also asked them to type this up and email it to me, which I should expect sometime this week.

[Rogue_Shadow]

Why do you need the email

[Az]