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Whosthedaddy
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PostPosted: 13:46 - 27 Mar 2014    Post subject: Broken exhaust stud, how to remove? Reply with quote

Found the reason for a blowing exhaust, thought the stud had come loose but no it had sheared off!

https://p1.bikepics.com/2014/03/27/bikepics-2654848-full.jpg

Bearing in mind that's a c90 style pit bike engine on the monkey and the stud itself is only m6 sized in diameter, how the hell to tackle it?

The stud is flush or even countersunk in the hole so cannot cross mark for a screwdriver.
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 27 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

No help at all but mine did just that. I gave up trying to remove it, too fucking hard! Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:50 - 27 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your options are either an easy-out, with questionable results for lots of people. Or spark erosion if you can find somebody to do it for you.
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 27 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are very near me on the bcf map, I think I have some very chunky easy-outs at work if you want to borrow one.
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 27 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

can you not get in with a cordless and 1 or 2mm drill to start it off, then build up until you can get an eezi it out in,failing that your drilling the lot out and heli-coiling it .

these are the eezit out type thing I mean.

https://www.screwfix.com/p/stud-extractor-set-8-pieces/20084
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 27 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Centre punch and drill it, should even get away without helicoiling it if you get dead centre and increase drill bit sizes till the thread of the bolt collapses.
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 27 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

bugeye_bob wrote:
can you not get in with a cordless and 1 or 2mm drill to start it off, then build up until you can get an eezi it out in,failing that your drilling the lot out and heli-coiling it .

these are the eezit out type thing I mean.

https://www.screwfix.com/p/stud-extractor-set-8-pieces/20084


Looking at these kits, they see a little cheap? I've bought cheap before now and been crap and certainly what you pay for.

My concern with a kit like this is that are the smallest extractors small enough to do the job? Or would it be better to just drill it out and then worry about helicoil / retap?
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PostPosted: 14:15 - 27 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
No help at all but mine did just that. I gave up trying to remove it, too fucking hard! Laughing


Similar answer when asked on FB.

Maybe I should just run it without the exhaust, what's the worst that can happen? Of course it would sound like a bubble machine.
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 27 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remove the rest of the exhaust and it appears you have a few mm sticking out ( once exhaust collar is off ) you can:

ASmile put a hacksaw slit in it and try remove with a flat bladed screwdriver.

BSmile Weld another 6mm bolt onto it and unscrew it like that

CSmile file or grind a flat on each side and get it with a pair of mole grips.

Warming the engine first usually helps to loosen them
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PostPosted: 14:23 - 27 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The collar is off, you can see it in the corner of the picture.

I wouldn't buy a cheap easy out having had issues before. They're bloody hard metal to try and drill out when they snap
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PostPosted: 14:25 - 27 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

gavcarter wrote:
Remove the rest of the exhaust and it appears you have a few mm sticking out ( once exhaust collar is off ) you can:

ASmile put a hacksaw slit in it and try remove with a flat bladed screwdriver.

BSmile Weld another 6mm bolt onto it and unscrew it like that

CSmile file or grind a flat on each side and get it with a pair of mole grips.

Warming the engine first usually helps to loosen them


Nope, nothing else to remove, that's the exhaust port in the head. The exhaust is already off.
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 27 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
The collar is off, you can see it in the corner of the picture.

I wouldn't buy a cheap easy out having had issues before. They're bloody hard metal to try and drill out when they snap


I bought a cheap tap / die set that couldn't even tap cheese! Waste of money.
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PostPosted: 14:27 - 27 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whosthedaddy wrote:
c_dug wrote:
The collar is off, you can see it in the corner of the picture.

I wouldn't buy a cheap easy out having had issues before. They're bloody hard metal to try and drill out when they snap


I bought a cheap tap / die set that couldn't even tap cheese! Waste of money.


FFS I need my eyes tested............

I can see it plain as day now
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PostPosted: 16:24 - 27 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dodgy bodger that I am, I wouldn't try anything other than a centre punch and drilling that out very carefully to 5.5mm before trying a stud extractor to get the remnants out.

At that, it's a stud, not a bolt, so I imagine it's snapped when trying to take the nut off because it's now a part of the head for all practical purposes, so I'd order a helicoil before I started.
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 27 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never been lucky when it's come to mechanics or anything of a fixing nature but on this instance not my fault.

I believe I lost an exhaust nut due to vibrations and this then out pressure on the other stud and snapped it off. I swear I was nowhere near it.

Screw fix is 2 miles away so will pop in there for a quick look at some extractors
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PostPosted: 16:42 - 27 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Note, extractors are very hard to drill out when they snap Wink
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PostPosted: 17:13 - 27 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Dodgy bodger that I am, I wouldn't try anything other than a centre punch and drilling that out very carefully to 5.5mm before trying a stud extractor to get the remnants out.

If it's a 6mm thread then drilling out to anything over 5mm will take out the female thread within the head.
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 27 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forget the extractors. Try a left hand drill bit, you never know, it might spin out as you drill it.
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PostPosted: 17:20 - 27 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raffles wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
Dodgy bodger that I am, I wouldn't try anything other than a centre punch and drilling that out very carefully to 5.5mm before trying a stud extractor to get the remnants out.

If it's a 6mm thread then drilling out to anything over 5mm will take out the female thread within the head.


It is a 6mm.
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PostPosted: 17:23 - 27 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The last one I had like that I ended up drilling a small hole in the middle, then hammered a torx bit into the hole and it came out. Kind of like an easy out, but more likely to round off than snap.

I could've just been lucky though. As said already, heating the area up May help break any bond between it and the head first. The drilling adds a bit of heat, and then hammering the bit into it might free it off a bit more.

Hope you get it out ok Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:27 - 27 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheBaldReverend wrote:
Forget the extractors. Try a left hand drill bit, you never know, it might spin out as you drill it.


Thought you were yanking my chain but just been looking at them on YouTube, could be handy and same principle as the extractors, get a bite in the anticlockwise direction and pull.
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 27 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you end up trying to drill it buy a de Walt Extreme bit from Screwfix.
Super sharp lets you go steady with your drill/driver..

Good luck
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PostPosted: 22:33 - 27 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drill it out with a left hand drill
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PostPosted: 22:56 - 27 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whosthedaddy wrote:
Thought you were yanking my chain but just been looking at them on YouTube, could be handy and same principle as the extractors, get a bite in the anticlockwise direction and pull.


My theory is if you're going to drill something out then you might as well drill with a lefty as the worst case is that you have to drill it out as normal, but with a good chance whatever you're drilling will come out as you're drilling.
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PostPosted: 22:57 - 27 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The secret in getting this out is accurate drilling, start off with centre punching a dot smack in the middle, drill out the stud with a 3mm drill bit, then a 4mm then a 4.5 mm, get a quality torx screwdriver bit of an appropiate diameter and hammer it into the hole, ( needs to be a tight fit) unscrew the stud with a spanner on the hex of the bit, or a socket. Note that heating the area of the head around the stud will help a lot.

Sometimes though they are just too stuck, if your drillings are accurate and centre go up to a 5.0 mm hole and retap with a tap to restore the thread to 6mm.

Don't be afraid to remove the head, it will make accuracy a load easier whilst drilling.
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