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PostPosted: 19:43 - 30 Mar 2014    Post subject: Any onboard camera laws? Reply with quote

Can the cops seize a onboard camera go pros etc.
If they suspect any antics.
Wheelies speeding etc etc.
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PostPosted: 19:44 - 30 Mar 2014    Post subject: Re: Any onboard camera laws? Reply with quote

biggeeman wrote:
Can the cops seize a onboard camera go pros etc.
If they suspect any antics.
Wheelies speeding etc etc.


Yes.
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PostPosted: 19:45 - 30 Mar 2014    Post subject: Re: Any onboard camera laws? Reply with quote

Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:
biggeeman wrote:
Can the cops seize a onboard camera go pros etc.
If they suspect any antics.
Wheelies speeding etc etc.


Yes.


Bummer cheers
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PostPosted: 19:47 - 30 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

However they'd have to witness you doing something first. They could just pull you over and seize it.

It's also debatable as to whether the evidence would actually be admissible in court.
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PostPosted: 19:52 - 30 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:
However they'd have to witness you doing something first.

Or just say they witnessed you doing something.
They just need "reasonable suspicion" of an offence IIRC, which in practice would translate to "no real reason whatsoever" to seize your camera.

That's why I liked the #808 inside my helmet. Didn't have to reveal I had it; could've disposed of it after any kind of accident, if I was conscious of course.
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 30 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

covent.gardens wrote:

Or just say they witnessed you doing something.
They just need "reasonable suspicion" of an offence IIRC, which in practice would translate to "no real reason whatsoever" to seize your camera.

That's why I liked the #808 inside my helmet. Didn't have to reveal I had it; could've disposed of it after any kind of accident, if I was conscious of course.


Unfortuntately so.

If it was inside a car, they'd need a warrant to seize. Don't think they do with a motorbike though....
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PostPosted: 20:06 - 30 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been weary of this myself whilst having a spirited ride. I also pondered the thought of having to swallow the memory card if the situation arose. Sick
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PostPosted: 20:07 - 30 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZX Jay wrote:
I've been weary of this myself whilst having a spirited ride. I also pondered the thought of having to swallow the memory card if the situation arose. Sick


Just tell them it's off. Wink
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PostPosted: 20:11 - 30 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fit a camera where the average plod won't notice, or think to look for one on your bike. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 30 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like to 'try' and think of a worst case scenario with things like that. It'd be easy to lose the memory card but you may not get a chance depending how you get pulled.

Also depends where the camera is, if it's poking 6 inches in the air off the top of your lid, it will look pretty suspect if you immediately whip your lid off and faff about in the casing to get the camera/card popped out.

They might not believe that it was off and having just received some phone calls of people mis-behaving on motorcycles, they reckon that my camera is worth looking at as I fit a description of one of the bikes mis-behaving... que me popping it in my mouth in front of them, chewing it up and swallowing it Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 30 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:
If it was inside a car, they'd need a warrant to seize.

Riiiight.

We don't have the same obsession with "unclean hands" evidence that the Septics do. I cannot imagine any copper hesitating for a second before taking a camera out of a car, off a bike, or off your helmet for that matter, reasonable suspicion or otherwise.

Cars can be searched on "reasonable suspicion" of containing any stolen or "prohibited" item, which is a long list.

Worse that will happen if they happen to rattle the wrong cage is Words Of Advice, probably With Biscuits.

PACE explicitly includes vehicles under the "premises " from which Plod may seize evidence. Indeed...

PACE 1984 23 Meaning of premises wrote:
“premises” includes any place

Lulz, eh?
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PostPosted: 20:19 - 30 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it was inside a car, they'd need a warrant to seize. Don't think they do with a motorbike though....

that's crap so they can just whip it off ya bike.

plus the go pros etc are hardly conspicuous big ugly mounts and stuff
ive got a keychain camera but it only works on a Tuesday with a full moon very unreliable bit a kit.
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 30 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:
Same goes for Satnavs that record your highest speeds...to quote one of the scuffers off a TV prog talking to his mate - We like satnavs don't we....(wink wink) ?


WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.

Sat navs are not home office approved so the evidence is not admissible in court.

Also if the police asked when the top speed was set. "No idea officer, I bought this second hand from a bloke down the pub, so it may have not even been me"

Don't believe the data is time and date stamped, so again, can't be used in court.

It's exactly the same as your bike speedos that store max speed. Unless you're daft enough to self incriminate, you're fine. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 30 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ideally, you need some Pivothead wearable cameras, so it doesn't look as on top that you're recording.

https://pivothead.com/
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 30 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZX Jay wrote:
Ideally, you need some Pivothead wearable cameras, so it doesn't look as on top that you're recording.

https://pivothead.com/


good idea don't know if I would get my lid on with them I wear mine proper sung.
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PostPosted: 20:34 - 30 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soon we will all be wearing Google glasses. The new favourite command when getting pulled will be.

"Google, DESTROY EVERYTHING NOW!"
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 30 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZX Jay wrote:
Soon we will all be wearing Google glasses. The new favourite command when getting pulled will be.

"Google, DESTROY EVERYTHING NOW!"


or
https://whatthefuckwasigoingtogoogle.tumblr.com/
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PostPosted: 20:44 - 30 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:
Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:


WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.



I'm only going by what one of them said...they must like them for some reason Confused


Probably because they can convince stupid people to self incriminate? Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 30 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If a camera was fixed to the bike they would have to seize the bike or get a warrant, more hassle!

Plus it would not be admissible in court as evidence as there are no type approval documents, at least for speed anyway
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PostPosted: 22:23 - 30 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gavbriggs wrote:
If a camera was fixed to the bike they would have to seize the bike or get a warrant, more hassle!

Plus it would not be admissible in court as evidence as there are no type approval documents, at least for speed anyway


What about wheelies?
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 30 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:
Sat navs are not home office approved so the evidence is not admissible in court.

Why not?

Are all CCTV systems "Home Office approved"? What about if you just filmed someone on your phone? Or recorded a phone call?

Or, to use an example from close to home, what if you were daft enough to put videos of yourself cocking around on YouTube and the feds smashed your back door in and took away all your computer gear (not "Home Office approved") and indeed your bike.

It's all evidence. The questions are whether the CPS would choose to use it, and the weight that a court would give it.


Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:
Unless you're daft enough to self incriminate, you're fine. Thumbs Up

No disagreement there, that's what they're really after.

Most law abiding folk have no idea how to deal with coppers. I didn't, and got two 3 pointers before I wised up.
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PostPosted: 22:36 - 30 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Rogerborg"]
Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:
Sat navs are not home office approved so the evidence is not admissible in court.

Why not?

Are all CCTV systems "Home Office approved"? What about if you just filmed someone on your phone? Or recorded a phone call?

Good point.
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