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Frostdog
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PostPosted: 11:59 - 01 Apr 2014    Post subject: Powerslides are not acceptable!! Mod 1 fail ** UPDATE PASS Reply with quote

So.......

I failed mod 1

Was wet, of course it was wet

All went to plan-ish, I nearly missed the speedtrap I was over eager but realised last minute 😳😁

Then emergency controlled stop I put everything I've been told out the back window and skidded. Did I release it? Did I fuck.....😳

Turned bike around.

"Please make your way to the exit gate and wait for me there"

BALLS.

"Wait for me inside"

Great.

"I'm sure you have noticed we didn't complete the test?"

Yep.

Why didn't I just PRETEND? Even press gently? God knows, cause you wanted to keep being a noob? Probably.

Other highlights were that I didn't do a proper lifesaver on U-Turn, fair do's. Tho I did my obs when I started manouvre, I didn't check, more a turn of head to facilitate the turn.

So all in all yes I have failed, not the end of the world. Booking in next week. I now know what's coming and what to do. Where I can improve on and course layout etc.



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PostPosted: 12:14 - 01 Apr 2014    Post subject: Re: Powerslides are not acceptable!! Mod 1 fail booo Reply with quote

Frostdog wrote:
"Your A1 is useless, no point at all"

Well, I want to do it. I want rid of my Ls, I want up earn my stripes as it were, I want practice on a 125 combined with a couple years riding experience so when I go for big bike I'm fully prepared.


To be honest, he's right.

You don't need to 'prepare' to ride a bigger bike. They are far easier and more pleasant to ride than the overwhelming majority of 125s. The riding experience you're gaining would be far more valuable if you were gaining it on a 'big' bike

Bad luck on the fail though. There's always next time! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 01 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

For a brief period, I thought I might just stick to a 125 for a while, to 'get some real experience' and all that before moving up to a bigger bike. That was before I did my CBT and upon taking the 125 onto a NSL road, I was like 'fuck this shit' and went straight for the direct access onto a bigger bike. Glad I did!
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 01 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

That sucks.

Just remember when you squeeze that front brake the rear unloads and goes very light so its very gentle with the rear brake. Used to teach people to just cover it with their foot if the are prone to locking up.

U turn - Check left then right mirror, good look behind you, start moving forward to get balanced, lifesaver, then make the turn. The lifesaver needs to be separate from the turn of the head for the manoeuvre. It's because something may have come up behind you between that first look behind and making the turn.
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 01 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think it's particularly useless, a 125 is easy on fuel, nimble through traffic, more forgiving when mistakes are made, I'm not going to pop a wheelie if I select the wrong gear and for me is a tool to learn on.

Fair enough, I've not been on a bigger bike and can't compare but I'm more than happy with my ybr for now on my commute. The first five miles into town are on a dualler and it doddles along at 60 no bother. Nowhere near as bad as people make out.

Cheers for the advice
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 01 Apr 2014    Post subject: Re: Powerslides are not acceptable!! Mod 1 fail booo Reply with quote

Frostdog wrote:
Not what I want before test some chump poo poohing what I'm doing.

I would of been tempted to ask him how he got his licence.
Good chance he'd never had any formal training for his, either.
Wasn't until DAS was introduced in the mid 90's that many bothered with anything other than CBT; either because of cost, or fact that until DAS came along CBT was often the only training on offer! And even then, up till last year, when testing on a tiddler got you a restricted licence that matured, half the candidates DSA tested had little or no formal training beyond CBT.

However; its endemic; popular opinion is there's no point in A1... but there is, and you see it, and are making it work for you, and for £15 you just had a very cheap lesson. Job done. Well done. Better luck next time; chalk this one up to nerves.
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 01 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Teflon

I can see the point for both. I don't think it's a straight forward waste of time, like you say cheap lesson and I've had a glimpse into what's to come.

On the other hand, I am thinking well it wasn't that bad. Maybe I should just have a go on a bigger bike. It was a mixture of gaining experience and not having to spend a fortune on DAS that I went down this route in first place.

Admittedly before I used to take back roads, took longer but I was in comfort zone. Now I'm confident I take direct dual carriageway route and yes the bikes to full hilt, it's not for long but yeah it would be easier on a bigger bike.

Now wondering do I forget about today, go and do a day on a big bike and after that if I'm up to it book in and sit my mod 1 on it. I was thinking before use my 125 all summer but maybe I should bite the bullet and step up. Which I realise completely contradicts my argument 😜
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 01 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regardless of what test you do now, if you want to ride a big bike later, you will have to pay for testing on one, and possibly hire etc too.

So if you're old enough, you may as well do it that way from the start and save the money in the long run
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 01 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes I'm thinking now I should be looking to move up, not spend more money on this A1,test.

I've seen what's to come, what is required, I was comfortable with it just screwed up the braking mostly. I have about 2000 miles under my belt, I feel confident enough, is it a case of getting some training on a big bike then taking the A test on that then?
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 01 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Power slides require power, not brakes.
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PostPosted: 13:46 - 01 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a firm believer in Teff's seminal classic "time on a tiddler" and when I got into this biking malarky was well up for just pootling around on my 125 forever. However three years in to that and with just 6 months left on my 33bhp licence I'm now itching to jump on to someting bigger (or maybe just something different?!).

Course I'll keep my 125 for the economic miles and the lulz but if I could have afforded it at the time, looking back I reckon I would have jumped on DAS.

Whatever you choose, I'm sure you'll kick the arse off Mod1 the next time Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 01 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did my A1 test to get rid of my L plates. Only cost £90.

Lots of people think it's pointless, but it's my £90, and it's my bike without Loser plates stuck to it.

I then went and did my full A 2 months later, so it probably was pointless, but meh
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PostPosted: 13:59 - 01 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok not a power slide as such, more a really crap skid 😁

I think there's merit in it in that it's £15 and for that the insight you get is great.

I've spoken to my local bike school and waiting for a callback to arrange an assessment and get my ass on a bigger bike
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 01 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread has made me worry even more about taking my direct access next month!

Good luck for your next test!
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PostPosted: 14:13 - 01 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't worry,

Just watch your back brake, hover foot over it even so it looks like your braking

And plenty observations. I'm Kicking myself, it's common sense really. Learn from it is the main thing.

Cool, calm and relaxed

Then again don't listen to me I failed 😂
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 01 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unlucky, it's all a learning curve, you'll get it next time. I take it you've practiced them on a quiet road somewhere?

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PostPosted: 14:16 - 01 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frostdog wrote:
Yes I'm thinking now I should be looking to move up, not spend more money on this A1,test.

I've seen what's to come, what is required, I was comfortable with it just screwed up the braking mostly. I have about 2000 miles under my belt, I feel confident enough, is it a case of getting some training on a big bike then taking the A test on that then?


You are going to move upwards and onwards. That is pretty much a given. To do that, you will more than like HAVE to do a DAS course; so lets assume thats also a given.

But here and now; you have a 125. You have your Thoery/Hazard in the bag, or you wouldn't have been able to do Mod 1. BUT thats only valid 2 years or until you get a bike-licence.

And you are less than £100 away from getting your A1.

DO IT. Stop provaricating. Dont let doubts nag at you. Indecission is the WORST decission. Stop Thinking - Start riding. Just DO.

Get the A1 in the bag. You have set about it and are part way there. Keep going. Day you have the paper in your pocket? You can sign up for a DAS course, if you want; you will be barely any money out of pocket for having done the A1, BUT, you will KNOW you can DO IT!

Stall now, provaricate over doing DAS, check out some schools, rather than re-booking Mods for A1, all delays, and time ebbing away on your CBT and Theory/Haz. Have to scrape together the cash. More delay. More time of your current certs. And THEN when you get to DAS, you are under pressure; you have a lot of money riding on it; you have the remaining time on certs riding on it; and you still dont know whether you are up to it, and you dont come accross as the most assertive of folk, so you will be pushing a BIGH bow wave of worry ahead of you, if you try switching horses mid-race.

It CAN be done, it WILL be done, but, here and now; finish what you started; do the confidence building and gaining good technique on bike that demands it from you... then, NO PRESSURE, and JUST for the fucking FUN... you can go do DAS, if you want, when you want, and it DONT have all the strings and weights attached.

You'll be better prepared for it; mentally and skill wise, and you will be able to ENJOY doing it, rather than fretting about it.

And you can enjoy the here and now. Its not all you might want or hope for, its a stepping stone; least risk, least outlay, least cost, and least pressure. Doesn't matter THAT much, if you dont succeed, or if it takes more than a couple of goes at it all...

How much did failing this Mod 1 cost you? £15 test fee; couple of quid petrol and an hour or so of your time.

How much would it have cost if this little mind-fart fuck up had happened on a DAS course? £30 for school booked Mod slot; £150 for Accompanied lesson and bike hire. THAT would have been a kick in the wallet. Even MORE so if you had back-to-back Mods booked and failing Mod 1 cost you cancellation of a Mod 2!

So better failing A1's and writing of little money to experience, and calling it 'fun' and 'learning' than ramping the stakes just to do it all in a oner, and putting yourself under greater pressure with even more chance of nerves causing mind-fart fuck-ups.

Carry on; see it through; don't hang extra crap you really dont need on it all, or stall in a mire of dilemah, deliberation and indecission.

What comes next, comes next. Do this first.

That's my opinion, at any rate.

And if your 125 has a drum back brake.... next MOD 1.... pull up round the corner from the test centre, wind the adjuster back to slack it off before you actually present for test Wink
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PostPosted: 14:40 - 01 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right cheers Tef 😁👍

That's what I needed. I set out with a plan. A plan to pass my A1. I very nearly did! So away to resit next week.

No turning my back on my 125 just yet.

Itl be all the sweeter when I pass

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PostPosted: 15:25 - 01 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've tried to rebook and earliest date is 27th. So....

I'm going to think about it, continue riding as per normal but take what I've learnt from this, more observations and practice my braking. I can't see me sitting big bike til august purely financial have holidays to pay, will want better bike, will have no claims earned etc

I now know what's to come, if a cancellation comes up I may just take it otherwise hold out til then and enjoy my time, then go DAS when the time comes.

Thanks for everyone's comments
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PostPosted: 15:39 - 01 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting post - will be moving upwards myself shortly so good advice picked up here about faking back braking etc
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PostPosted: 15:41 - 01 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frostdog wrote:
...will want better bike, will have no claims earned etc...

Word to the wise as this has come up before. When renew 125 insurance be aware there may be a huge fee to upgrade or cancel the policy if you get a bigger bike.

Many firms only deal in the 125 and below market so you have to effectively cancel and pay the admin fees before starting new policy on bigger bike. Also means you don't carry over any extra NCB you may have gained in the months you had the renewed 125 policy.

Other companies allow you to swap, but beware those fees.

tl;dr = check about upgrading insurance cost if you get bigger bike when you renew your 125 insurance.
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PostPosted: 16:06 - 01 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frostdog wrote:
I don't think it's particularly useless, a 125 is easy on fuel, nimble through traffic, more forgiving when mistakes are made,


Depends on the mistake! I was in too high a gear going uphill when riding a 125 during a lesson. Gave it more throttle and only succeeded in flooding it and it conking out.
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PostPosted: 16:12 - 01 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not good conking out on a hill but better than popping a wheelie and braking your arse/hand other body part!!

Anyways, I've gone and booked it again right or wrong, I'm not wanting to deliberate any longer. Have to wait til end of the month but that leaves me some time to sharpen up my game.

Too easy to just say I'll know next time....
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PostPosted: 16:26 - 01 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had three attempts at mod 1.

First I locked the rear wheel, controlled it. Fail

Second I didn't use back brake and stopped about 8-10 yards further down. Fail the examiner said I hadn't shown enough urgency.

Third time I done the same as the first. Locked up then controlled it. Pass. The examiner said I showed good bike control and I was aware of what my machine was doing.

So go figure.
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