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 Posted: 20:56 - 30 Mar 2014 Post subject: YBR chain slack |
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Finally thought to check the chain after washing it and found 8mm play. Adjusted everything the manual says but it didnt say which direction to adjust... Should the pin be screwing in towards the front of the bike or screw out towards the back?
I screwed out towards the back but then i could see the front of it wasnt pressing against anything. So if its meant to be this way, does the chain need replacing? I started screwing inwards the other way and it still wasnt affecting the tension. I then met resistance on one side and rounded off the nut thoughts? ____________________ Triumph Street Triple-R
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| Doomsnite wrote: | I mean 80mm |
That's over three inches!
Is that up and down play or how far back you had to move the axle back to get the up-down play in the bottom run down to about and inch?
Two thoughts spring to mind.
1/ new chain & sprockets may be on order.
2/ Cush Drive bushes, would be worth checking / replacing.
CDB's are rubber blocks in the back wheel; paddles on the sprocket hub press on one ond of them, other end presses on webs in the rear wheel hub to transmit drive, but provide some complience. Makes the transmission less harsh and snatchy; but tend to get hammered a bit on a lightweight learner legal, from less precice newby gearchanges and throttle control, and will go sloppy, even more so if the Chain has been allowed to go monstrousely out of tension.
New ones, along with C&S all properly lubed and tensioned, though will make huge difference to how easy it is to shift gear, and do it so much more smoothly. New CDR's are only about £15 a set too, and a worth while service replacement when you do C&S, for future note, if chain ent dead... yet. ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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| Doomsnite wrote: | Thats 70mm up and 10mm down. Im going to give tightening it another go on weds (if i can manage it with the rounded adjustment bolt) now that i know which direction to go. Is there anything i can do to get it to turn easier. Should the axle bolt looser? Will check those CDB Too |
OK, just had a look on e-bay; YBR uses pretty common cap & screw adjusters, so screw in to tension, out to loosen. always remember to slack the lock-nut off first.
TIP: when you oil the chain.... give the adjuster a squib too so it dont sieze for when you come to tension.
TIP2: The adjuster screws tend to be standard M6 bolts with a mild taper ground on the end. When I find them chewed, mangled, bent or otherwise deformed; I tend to just pick stock M6 out the pot and grind pointy bit on the end to locate in the dimple on the end of the swing-arm. If you dont have grinder though.... UGH! £17! Made of titanium! FUCK I would expect them to be made of bludy Platignum for that ruddy money! Why would you want light weight titanium adjuster screws on cheapest humblest commuter bike there is anyway?!?!? God E-bay be crazy at times!.. I was going to say, OE parts should only be a couple of quid.... try Yamaha, they are probably more reasonable; failing that, just get a couple of M6's from Halfords in od-pax! Dont look like they have much of a taper on the end anyway!
As for turning easier.... yes. Undo the lock-nut before you try screwing the adjuster bolt in. Hold lock nut 'loose' with second spanner, while you screw adjuster in. See tip 1. new bolt; squib of chain lube on the threads before fitting. Old bolt, remove completely, clean squib & refit.
TIP 3: after loosing axle; and loosing adjustor lock nuts, and if necessary removing cleaning & lubing adjuster bolts; let adjuster plates drop away from swing arm; clean them, and give them a squib of oil, then re-locate.
Before trying to adjust chain; loosen off the rear brake torque restraint arm and the rear brake pedal adjuster. Or you will be trying to pull the axle back against that restraint and pulling back brake on at the same time.
Re-align adjuster plates and fit bolts; then checking against index marks, DONT do up the chain side until teh chain is tight, then try and level the other side. put 1 turn on each adjuster, at a time until 'close' and then check axle is square and marks even both sides. Then fine adjust chain tension, 1/2 or quarter turn on each side to suit.
After tightening axle, remember to re-tight the brake torque arm, and THEN adjust the rear brake. ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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Fucking tight
It's one of the few bolts on the bike that needs to be very tight. Don't go mental on it though or you'll crush your wheel bearings.
Also make sure to use a split pin to hold it in place. ____________________ Previous Bikes: 2006 Honda XR125L > 2003 Yamaha DT125R > 1996 Honda CB500
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Thats some lazy arsed abbreviation.. I thought i was down with the kids! Ok nice one  ____________________ Triumph Street Triple-R
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| trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote: | And when he says FT he doesn't mean FT for a landrover. He means FT for a jap bike. Big difference. Iow, it's easier to nip it up and crush a bearing than you might think. |
Yeah; I suppose FT could do with being a bit more refined. I'll rise to the chalenge.
finger tight = nut just touching, can turn it with your fingers. Sneeze and it will unwind.
'Nipped' = finger tight + 1/14 turn with finger pressure on a spanner
'Tightened' = Nipped plus a bit, but not enough to make you grunt. White marks in your palm where spanner is, not blue.
We are then into the range of FT, and I work on the 'Grunt' scale, or how many 'grunts' you expend, beyond 'tightened'
A lightweight motorbike rear axle nut, should be about half a grunt tight, a 'soft' grunt perhaps; tight, but a little bit beyond, enough to warrant some audible sign of effort, but not so much as to need a full 'grunt' as that will be nipping up the bearing inner races.
Which is a noteable point for you Trevor. Land-Rover Hub-Nuts, err, three and a half inch accross flats ISTR, are ACTUALLY only supposed to be 'finger' tight . Opposed conical bearings you see. You wind them in with the hub-nut, to about one grunt, to make sure they are seated, than back off, to between finger tight and nipped, lock with a tab-washer, then wind lock nut into 'nipped' and lock that with other tank of the tab-washer.
Wheel nuts should only be about half to three quarters of a grunt too. And apart from cylinder head bolts, I cant think of many fastenings that are much over a grunt-worth on a Land-Rover... well, to do UP at least
Swing Arm Spindle? Probably about the tightest fastener I can think of on a motorbike. Now that probably warrants a full grunt, maybe a tad more. ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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