Starting problem after flat battery

[GhostRider]

Thats right folks, Ghostys back with more grief

So I have a homebrew GPS tracker installed in my bike, I rigged up a USB charger to the battery so that I could charge it on the go when the battery on the tracker ran down.

This happened today, so I left it plugged in whilst at work thinking that it shouldn't drain the battery too much over 7 hours.

Turns out I was wrong about that, when I finished work went to start it up and there was no fuel priming sound and wouldn't even begin to turn over.

I tried bump starting it a few times in various gears - what I didn't know at the time, but have read since, is that you are not supposed to work the throttle whilst doing this, which I did. Needless to say I couldn;t get it to bump start, so put in a SOS call to my brother to bring his car over so I could jump it.

Connected up the jump leads, turned ignition and hear the fuel priming sound, tried to start, got half a turn out of it, then nothing. Left jump leads connected for a few mins and tried again.

Thereafter I didn't hear the fuel priming sound whenever switching the bike on, and had no luck starting it whatsoever.

Had to leave the bike at work, I have a charger I can take to work with me tomorrow and charge the battery through the day but given it wouldn't jump off a car battery I;m wondering if there isn't something else afoot here - looking for advice on what to check/other possible sources of error.

Thanks,

Oh another bit of info which might be diagnostic - I notice that when I turn the ignition on, the temp gauge goes straight into the high range - despite bike not having started for 7 hours previous, so is rather strange.

GhostRider
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[doggone]

What bike is it, almost sounds like some sort of engine management chip or sensor has been damaged, and won't allow it to start.
Could be worth a sort of hard reset i.e. disconnect battery for ten minutes.

[GhostRider]

Shite sorry forgot to say its a Daytona 955i (2000 model).

The hard reset will be done when I take it out to recharge it, I've no idea how old the battery is mind so might well be worth getting a replacement, though I want to be sure the bike can still start first.

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[nowhere.elysium]

Earth block problems are, apparently, rife: https://www.triumphtorque.com/messageboard/thread/170833-speed-triple-955i-wont-start.aspx
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[doggone]

Yes that seems plausible, I have a hazy memory of something similar with a friend's Speed Triple.

[davebike]

Triumphs bike are very hard on batteries
I see lots in trouble
Charge the battery try again
If it starts check it is charging 14+ volts at 5k revs
If it won't start car type hand held OBD reader will read the fault code and clear it then it may start
Yes seen this lots of times 1050 is worse than 955


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[bugeye_bob]

Check your fuses, if the ignition was still on when you connected the jump leads you may have got a bit of a spike.

[GhostRider]

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[Matt B]

[GhostRider]

Im just amazed the battery is that fucked just off a GPS tracker and a couple of start attempts.

That said I have no idea how old this battery is, so might not have been in best shape to begin with, although it always started the bike no problems in the month I've had it.

GhostRider
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[nowhere.elysium]

it depends on how the GPS tracker is set up. Decent GPS chips tend to only draw somewhere in the region of 30mA when live, but if it's been badly designed, it'll be drawing that or more constantly.
have you got a link to the tracker?
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[GhostRider]

[nowhere.elysium]

Can you still text the tracker and get a response? has it started to send you the 'I'm out of battery' messages that the manual suggests that it will?
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[GhostRider]

The tracker had died completely - I wanted to see how long the battery actually lasted for since initially I was going to rig it up into the lighting circuit so it would only charge when the bike was running, but that seemed like more of a pain in the arse than I was willing to endure at the time. So this was a trial run - specs say 80-96 hours but it got to a week and a half and was till giving accurate co-ordinates!

So I stuck it into the USB charger, checked at lunch time and it was at 50% so figured everything was going ok, till 5pm came around...

GhostRider
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[nowhere.elysium]

Hmm. It might be a crap charging circuit on the GPS tracker, or there may be a short in the USB charger. It's only an 840mAh battery on the GPS unit, which shouldn't really make that much of a dent in your bike's battery.

That said, I'd have probably left it on charge for an hour, tops, with the bike running. Sod's law, and all that.
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[GhostRider]

Well the battery is reading 12.98v after a good 4.5hrs on charge then left to sit for 45 mins before reading taken, so there may be hope yet!

GhostRider
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I have all the characteristics of a human being: blood, flesh, skin, hair; but not a single, clear, identifiable emotion, except for greed and disgust. Something horrible is happening inside of me and I don't know why. My nightly bloodlust has overflown into my days. I feel lethal, on the verge of frenzy. I think my mask of sanity is about to slip.

[GhostRider]

Fully charged battery seems to have done the trick, started up like a good'un and ran fine thereafter.

Will keep an eye on voltage across battery and test what its kicking out at revs tomorrow to be sure I won't get any surprises.

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[Matt B]

I'm sure it will be fine now the weather is warmer, and looks like you use it regularly.
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[MattEMulsion]

In my experience bike batteries don't like being deep cycled like this. You can get away with it a couple of times but more than that they are never 100% again.
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