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Grimeric
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PostPosted: 18:54 - 06 Apr 2014    Post subject: Best chain? Reply with quote

I am looking at getting a chain to secure my bike for when I start to commute on it.
Can anyone recommend a good company? A mate has said forget any chain unless its Almax. I've had a quick look at the website and they have some impressive boasts. Can a chain really be that secure?
Also what is the general size chain I'd roughy need? I know this is a funny question to ask and it depends what I'm chaining to but is a one meter chain long enough to secure a bike to something like a lamppost or a metal pole? I'm also considering a ground anchor for home use so would I need longer for that?
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 06 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an old hefty Hein Gericke one that I used. It's about a metre long or so. Does me.

Almax stuff is good, but pretty heavy.
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PostPosted: 18:59 - 06 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

the ones with hungry dobermans on the end seem to work quite well....
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PostPosted: 19:02 - 06 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

gavcarter wrote:
the ones with hungry dobermans on the end seem to work quite well....


I've a couple of mean German Shepherds at home but I'd struggle to get them both pillion into work Very Happy
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PostPosted: 19:09 - 06 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

just take one Very Happy https://www.fosilfueled.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/dogs_vs_goats_006_10042013.jpg
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 06 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Almax or Pragmasis. Having had 2 bikes stolen while using inferior products, I am loathe to use anything else. Had no bikes nicked since I upgraded to Almax and Pragmasis, had a couple of half hearted looks / attempts / lifting the cover off etc.

Get some rope and thread it through your bike and round whatever you intend to lock your bike to perhaps add a little bit on to make locking / unlocking easier.

I would also get something else perhaps a decent disc lock as additional security / deterrent. All chains can be cut quickly with the right gear, some quicker than others, nothing is unbeatable especially with the new battery cutting gear.

Hopefully in before some derp chimes in with if dem wants it badz dem will takez it. Wink
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 06 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

a few months back i ordered a 1m almax chain thinking it'd be long enough for lamposts etc. They gave me a phone call back asking what would it be used for, saying it wouldn't be long enough for my needs. (Great service on their part)

I then recently ordered a 1.8m Series 3 which is plenty long enough and actually goes through my wheel twice. It help's that i used a Y-anchor as that shortens the amount needed.

I also have a 1,7m oxford chain which is just about long enough for lamposts
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PostPosted: 19:48 - 06 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

NooBish-AbbZ wrote:
a few months back i ordered a 1m almax chain thinking it'd be long enough for lamposts etc. They gave me a phone call back asking what would it be used for, saying it wouldn't be long enough for my needs. (Great service on their part)



It's called trading up. Rule 1 in the sales man's hand book.

I can only say that my 1 meter long chain has been ample for what I use it for. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 06 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:
NooBish-AbbZ wrote:
a few months back i ordered a 1m almax chain thinking it'd be long enough for lamposts etc. They gave me a phone call back asking what would it be used for, saying it wouldn't be long enough for my needs. (Great service on their part)



I can only say that my 1 meter long chain has been ample for what I use it for. Thumbs Up


What do you use yours for? I am wondering now if I'd get away with a mtr.
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PostPosted: 20:05 - 06 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grimeric wrote:
What do you use yours for? I am wondering now if I'd get away with a mtr.


I have the Almax IV 1.5m, and wouldn't want one any shorter.
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PostPosted: 20:06 - 06 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grimeric wrote:

What do you use yours for? I am wondering now if I'd get away with a mtr.


Looping around those bicycle hoops, railings, and ground anchors.
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 06 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Looping around those bicycle hoops, railings, and ground anchors.[/quote]

That sounds bang on then, there is one of them bicycle loop things where I intend to park it. Strange thing is there is another dude who parks his gsxr there too but he never sticks it through the hoop, just his rear wheel. I find that a little strange.
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PostPosted: 21:27 - 06 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a Pragmasis 16mm, 2 metre long chain.

If they can get through that without me hearing (it lives under my bedroom window and it's jangly as fuck when you move it) they can keep the bike. Laughing

It does weigh 6kg-ish though. You'll need a seatpack or similar to carry it (don't put it in a packback as if you come off it'll fuck your spine up).
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PostPosted: 21:37 - 06 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use two metres of 16mm long link lift/anchor chain from eBay @ £15 per metre delivered. About 1/5th the price of Almax / Pragmasis with most of the "nick the next bike along, pikey" deterrence factor. You won't be cropping that by hand, you'll be cutting through it if you really want it.

I wouldn't go with (much) less than 2m. One neat trick that you can do with 2m is to park the bike right next to an anchor point then put the chain over/under the bike and lock it to the frame on the other side. I find this more convenient and less fiddly than having to leave and work in a gap betwixt bike and anchor.
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 06 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got a 2m Series 4 Almax off eBay second hand for a good saving over the new price. If padlock is included, remind the seller to package the keys sensibly so they do not get crushed under the weight of the chain (or you will be bending them back into shape and they'll never fit quite right again - thanks whoever I bought my chain from Evil or Very Mad).

By the way, when they all say a Series 4 is heavy... it is. As in if you place it over your shoulder in a loop, it'll soon start cutting off the blood supply to your shoulder and leaving an indent. You can still transport it on the bike though if you're sensible about it, I fit mine in a backpack then tie it down good to the pillion seat.
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 06 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

NooBish-AbbZ wrote:
a few months back i ordered a 1m almax chain thinking it'd be long enough for lamposts etc. They gave me a phone call back asking what would it be used for, saying it wouldn't be long enough for my needs. (Great service on their part)
Had the same when i ordered mine a few years back - very good service and honest info. Spent about 25 minutes talking about their chains/bike security in general and were in no rush to end the call - i had to cut it short in the end to goto work Laughing

I'd go for almax personally. Series 3 is just as (thus far) 'invincible' to manual attacks as series 4. Both as with anything can be got through with powertools which is where the difference comes in. IIRC series 3 took 2.5-3 minutes to cut with powertools, series 4 upto 5 minutes in a selection of tests.

Pragmasis also have good reviews and were the only other brand of chain that scored 10/10 along with almax in a recent security review article in one of the large bike mags. Nearest competitors reached was 7-8/10 IIRC.

Budget 40-50 quid for a good anchor though or youre likely wasting your money if you have nothing sturdy to chain it to. Unless its a little 125 with skinny wheels you probably need a 1.5m. Maybe even more for chaining a large rear wheel round a chunky lampost
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PostPosted: 22:33 - 06 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
I use two metres of 16mm long link lift/anchor chain from eBay @ £15 per metre delivered. About 1/5th the price of Almax / Pragmasis with most of the "nick the next bike along, pikey" deterrence factor. You won't be cropping that by hand, you'll be cutting through it if you really want it.


Do you mean something like this?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/16-mm-x-45mm-Short-Link-GALVANISED-ANCHOR-CHAIN-LIFTING-BOAT-YACHT-/360490186403?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_BoatEquipment_Accessories_SM&hash=item53eee3b6a3

Is it comparable to almax?
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PostPosted: 07:36 - 07 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies guys. I will look into the lifting chain rogerburg.

What about disc locks? Are they worth it? Any makes to avoid?
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PostPosted: 07:47 - 07 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benno wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
I use two metres of 16mm long link lift/anchor chain from eBay @ £15 per metre delivered. About 1/5th the price of Almax / Pragmasis with most of the "nick the next bike along, pikey" deterrence factor. You won't be cropping that by hand, you'll be cutting through it if you really want it.


Do you mean something like this?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/16-mm-x-45mm-Short-Link-GALVANISED-ANCHOR-CHAIN-LIFTING-BOAT-YACHT-/360490186403?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_BoatEquipment_Accessories_SM&hash=item53eee3b6a3


Long link: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/16-mm-x-102mm-Long-Link-GALVANISED-ANCHOR-CHAIN-LIFTING-BOAT-YACHT-/110955299364?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_BoatEquipment_Accessories_SM&hash=item19d5738224

It's a bit lighter than short link, and (IMHO) more convenient. Instead of having to put a lock through both end links, you can slip one end link through any other link (thus shortening it to suit), then slap a lock onto the bit of link sticking through.


Benno wrote:
Is it comparable to almax?

Well, you can compare them.

It's the same size and weight, it's unlikely to be cropped by hand, and I'd be very surprised if you could smash it (especially if you keep it of the ground).

It'll presumably cut more easily, and it doesn't come in a sleeve.

It's a judgement call, and comes down to your budget and needs. If you want the best protection, get Almax or Pragmasis. If you want to spend £30 (plus a lock[*]), I doubt you'll get a better chain for that money. My bike is parked up by a few others and is by far the best secured (and can easily be seen to be so), so that's good enough for me.

[*] I use a PJB822 "Magnum shackle lock", about £25 delivered. No, it won't do the same job as a Squire, and the quality isn't great. Mine was a bit reluctant to operate reliably until I packed the barrel full of grease.

But it looks massive (move on, pikey), and is convenient. The shackle detaches fully, and it's big enough that I can put the shackle itself through my frame, rather than having to thread the chain through.
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PostPosted: 07:57 - 07 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grimeric wrote:
What about disc locks? Are they worth it? Any makes to avoid?
Disc locks in themself are relatively pointless as you can just drag the bike with one on without much trouble - they are useful though if you get an alarmed one as its a cheap way to alarm the bike without needing to mess around with wiring/worry about battery drain.

Some of the really cheap disc lock alarms are more trouble than they're worth though as they either take an elephants foot to activate, or are the opposite and will be waking up the neighbourhood everytime theres a gust of wind Laughing

Alarmed padlocks can be good to use in combo with the chain also if you aren't looking to spend a ton on Squire and similar [not that they're alarmed Razz ]
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PostPosted: 08:38 - 07 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a 13mm pragmasis chain at 1.2m length as my everyday carry chain.

I purchased it with the 'noose' end, basically a large circular link which enables you to wrap it around/through in ways that you wouldn't normally be able to - also makes the chain seem longer than it is. My 1.2m is perfect. Thumbs Up Teamed with a pair of disk locks its a good combo.

https://thumbs2.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mCxLszjzLntbaIHvrrv7pGw.jpg You can see the noose end here.
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PostPosted: 09:04 - 07 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^
That would be my choice if you can't or won't carry 2m of 16mm.
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PostPosted: 09:13 - 07 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a 2m 16mm chain. I only use it at home though, it's too heavy to carry about imho. I'd ony plan on carrying it with me if I was going to park my bike in the bronx (or Stoke)
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PostPosted: 09:27 - 07 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got a 1.5m series 3 almax. Big old thing but still manage to carry it in my US20 bag along with gym kit and lunch on the pillion seat. Coupled with a Y anchor which I've just installed in the new garden
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PostPosted: 09:53 - 07 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, 2m x 16mm ("series 3") + 1.5kg of lock is no bother at all in a tail pack.
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