Legality of Gatso Positioning

dapthechap · Borekit Bruiser Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Karma :

I got flashed last night by this fúcker

https://www.saferroads.org/docs/enf/img/cam_lg/933.jpg

As you can see it crosses the lights. I was coming up to the lights at 40 and just as I come upon them the ligths go amber I thought I am not sharply braking on this road as it was gritty and the brakes are a bit busted at the mo. So as every other person in the world when you are coming to a traffic light and it goes amber and you don't have time to stop you speed up a bit, but I got flashed where do I stand or should I try the prove that the cúntso wasn't calibrated etc etc.

NickD · World Chat Champion Joined: 20 Aug 2004 Karma :

If you're talking about a traffic light camera, I'm afraid you haven't a prayer. If you went through a red light and the camera got you, it's time to bend over.
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dapthechap · Borekit Bruiser Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Karma :

No it isn't a traffic camera it's a speed camera but this one is obviously a money maker

NickD · World Chat Champion Joined: 20 Aug 2004 Karma :

From what I can see, it's positioned on the run up to the lights, a common trick. IMO it's not so much of a money maker, but more to ensure people don't approach the lights too hot to stop in time. Given it's position I would just take what's coming to you, anything alse is likely to be costly and fruitless.
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dapthechap · Borekit Bruiser Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Karma :

As you can see from this pic

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Kickstart · The Oracle Joined: 04 Feb 2002 Karma :

Hi

Legally there is very little on the positioning of these cameras. There are guidelines which the thieves who run them are perfectly at liberty to ignore (and regularly do).

It is also an offence to go over the lights on yellow, with a defence if you could not safely stop in time (so they could quite happily set up the traffic light cameras to catch people crossing on yellow, safe in the knowledge that plenty would not contest it).

So, looks like you might well have been conned by the local scumera partnership (motto "Profit before safety").

All the best

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Sparks! · Sir Tart-a-lot Joined: 30 Aug 2003 Karma :

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dapthechap · Borekit Bruiser Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Karma :

It's not a crossing its a T junction and the crossing is further up the road.

Bendy will know the area as she told me about the route to go home, I blame her Wink

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Bendy · Mrs Sensible Joined: 10 Jun 2002 Karma :

Okay, here's a Penny Coin

towards your impending fine. Razz

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dapthechap · Borekit Bruiser Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Karma :

They weren't duff i.e I never had any just that if I had to make an emergency stop it would of locked anyway enough whinging the survey says ....bend over Mad

cunni · Spanner Monkey Joined: 15 Dec 2004 Karma :

Don't contest anything in any form with this one!

If you contest the positioning, they'll do you for admitting to running the lights and quite possibly the speed camera offense as well!

Also, They might consider you to be 'driving without due care and attention' due to not backing off slightly for the light in the first instance or even 'driving dangerously' for two reasons, 1) the brake problem, which I assume you wouldn't mention, and 2) the fact you sped up for the traffic signals which were changing to red!

As for contesting the speed camera calibration, I think this only applies to hand held devices, not permanently mounted camera's!? They might also ask to see you bike to calibrate that, and should anything be wrong with you, you'll incur charges there as well.

also, if you lose any contesting mentioned above, you will probably end up with a large bill for admin/court charges and Police time.

I'm not having a go at anyone here, not at all, just offering advice on the way the fuzz seem to view things in relation to motorcycles. I think they guidlines might depict us as the enemy! Crying or Very sad

Anyway, least damaging thing to do is to accept the charge!
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Finglonga · World Chat Champion Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Karma :

Sorry you have no defence, on traffic lights only green means go Red and Amber mean 'STOP'.

If you didn't have time to stop you were traveling to fast for the conditions, also you knew the road was gritty so you should reduce speed accordingly.

The Police would also take a dim view if you were caught riding a bike with defective brakes. If you were to say you couldn't stop in time as my brakes don't work properly they would throw the book at you, saying things like 'what would happen if someone walked out in front of you?'

Best thing to do is pay the fine, take the points and learn a lesson.
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dapthechap · Borekit Bruiser Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Karma :

Oh well lesson learned I suppose this is what I get for saying I won't drop my bike, erm well that's my excuse.

How will this affect my premium then

Bendy · Mrs Sensible Joined: 10 Jun 2002 Karma :

It shouldn't really affect it, one speeding conviction seems to be fairly expected these days.

dapthechap · Borekit Bruiser Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Karma :

erm this is my second in a month the other was in my car I was doing 36 in a 30

Finglonga · World Chat Champion Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Karma :

dapthechap · Borekit Bruiser Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Karma :

Got a letter yesterday about the first one they are offering me a course so I don't get the points.

1 down 1 to go Wink