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PostPosted: 23:35 - 20 Apr 2014    Post subject: Hi i'm new, need advice on bike price n getting license Reply with quote
Hi all, I'm new here! I'm a uni student and I've never had a motorbike before. i'm 20.
Should i take a course like: https://www.camrider.com/uk-locations/chester/prices-and-courses.html
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https://www.easyriderliverpool.co.uk/restricted_licenses.php
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i'm thinking to buy 2009 APRILIA RS 125 cc Full Power, 6900 miles
, any suggestion on the market price? (as low as possible Smile )

Thats about it....

If anyone could help it, would be greatly appreciated!

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PostPosted: 23:37 - 20 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PostPosted: 23:42 - 20 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Do you want a full bike liscence or just a 125?

If you just want a 125, book a cbt and buy a 125

Otherwise, cbt then theory test then restricted A2 liscence or whatever they call it now days. Then you can ride a bigger bike restricted

I would advise not buying an Rs 125 unless it's been properly maintained at all service intervals, and when you buy it you will need to stick to that or they become very unreliable and break. If you do not want to do or pay for regular maintenance a 4 stroke would be a better option. Because the service intervals are far further apart
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PostPosted: 02:16 - 21 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
As said above with the addition that you cannot ride a full powered RS125 legally on L plates.
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PostPosted: 09:08 - 21 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
The price on an RS125 depends on how close it is to needing an engine rebuild. Unless you've got access to garage facilities or the budget to pay someone else to do it, then I'd leave well alone.

Something like a GSX650F can be restricted to 35kW for an A2 license, and will cane an RS125 while returning better fuel economy and likely cheaper insurance too.
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 21 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
pinkyfloyd wrote:
As said above with the addition that you cannot ride a full powered RS125 legally on L plates.


i'm thinking to get A2 licence, if i can't pass shortly then i can restricted it. Laughing

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PostPosted: 11:02 - 21 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
ter750 wrote:
pinkyfloyd wrote:
As said above with the addition that you cannot ride a full powered RS125 legally on L plates.


i'm thinking to get A2 licence, if i can't pass shortly then i can restricted. Laughing


Then what Roger said.
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PostPosted: 11:07 - 21 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
The price on an RS125 depends on how close it is to needing an engine rebuild. Unless you've got access to garage facilities or the budget to pay someone else to do it, then I'd leave well alone.

Something like a GSX650F can be restricted to 35kW for an A2 license, and will cane an RS125 while returning better fuel economy and likely cheaper insurance too.

thx for ur advice
i have looked at 2009 Suzuki GSX650F £2,695.00
imo bigger bikes contains more dangerous, Neutral
is that true? Question
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PostPosted: 11:20 - 21 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
ter750 wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
The price on an RS125 depends on how close it is to needing an engine rebuild. Unless you've got access to garage facilities or the budget to pay someone else to do it, then I'd leave well alone.

Something like a GSX650F can be restricted to 35kW for an A2 license, and will cane an RS125 while returning better fuel economy and likely cheaper insurance too.

thx for ur advice
i have looked at Suzuki GSX650F-K8 but £3,299.00 and imo bigger bikes contains more dangerous, Neutral


Believe it or not, bigger bikes are safer to ride. They are more stable on the road, they have more road presence and they are easier spotted by other road users.
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PostPosted: 11:34 - 21 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
pinkyfloyd wrote:

Believe it or not, bigger bikes are safer to ride. They are more stable on the road, they have more road presence and they are easier spotted by other road users.

thx i believe it for sure, i'm just new to this, i would like more those advice.
Should i looking for bigger bikes Question
i will only buy one bike
and
NOT for daily use, may try on tracks Wink
i will use it on a nice sunny day
AS all the people saying its dangerous Sad
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PostPosted: 11:34 - 21 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
ter750 wrote:
I'm a uni student

ter750 wrote:
thx for ur advice


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PostPosted: 11:40 - 21 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
ter750 wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
The price on an RS125 depends on how close it is to needing an engine rebuild. Unless you've got access to garage facilities or the budget to pay someone else to do it, then I'd leave well alone.

Something like a GSX650F can be restricted to 35kW for an A2 license, and will cane an RS125 while returning better fuel economy and likely cheaper insurance too.

thx for ur advice
i have looked at 2009 Suzuki GSX650F £2,695.00
imo bigger bikes contains more dangerous, Neutral
is that true? Question


Difficult to answer with any final degree of certainty.

Some of the answer is dependent on you yourself. For instance, if a rider is significantly more confident on a small bike then they might well be safer and less accident prone than a much less confident rider on a bigger bike. So - if you personally feel much safer on a smaller bike you may BE safer than on a bigger bike with less confidence (where you are far more rigid, thus compromising the bike's manoeuvrability and responsiveness).
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PostPosted: 11:55 - 21 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote:


Difficult to answer with any final degree of certainty.

Some of the answer is dependent on you yourself. For instance, if a rider is significantly more confident on a small bike then they might well be safer and less accident prone than a much less confident rider on a bigger bike. So - if you personally feel much safer on a smaller bike you may BE safer than on a bigger bike with less confidence (where you are far more rigid, thus compromising the bike's manoeuvrability and responsiveness).

thanks for the reply,
i do feel more confidence on smaller bikes Razz
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PostPosted: 12:02 - 21 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
ter750 wrote:

thanks for the reply,
i do feel more confidence on smaller bikes Razz


But which bigger bikes have you ridden?
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 21 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
arry wrote:
ter750 wrote:

thanks for the reply,
i do feel more confidence on smaller bikes Razz


But which bigger bikes have you ridden?


i'd like a motorcycle that will not jump aggressively forward with a bit of throttle. Smile
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So, shall we chalk that down as none?

Don't rule things out based on preconceived ideas or irrational fear - if you did that on all decisions you'd not have made the enquiry into biking at all
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PostPosted: 13:37 - 21 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
ter750 wrote:
i'd like a motorcycle that will not jump aggressively forward with a bit of throttle. Smile

'Kin hell, smileter750.

Put the horse before the cart. Do your CBT, see if you enjoy it. If you do, then do a taught A2 course. You'll then be competent to ride a 35kW 500cc+ bike and will be in a far better position to (not) make this kind of statement.
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 21 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
ter750 wrote:
arry wrote:

But which bigger bikes have you ridden?


i'd like a motorcycle that will not jump aggressively forward with a bit of throttle. Smile


they all do that sir
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PostPosted: 14:15 - 21 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
ter750 wrote:
I've never had a motorbike before.

This sort of sets the baseline for everything you are saying, and implies you really, dont know very much.
ter750 wrote:
i'd like a motorcycle that will not jump aggressively forward with a bit of throttle. Smile

Its a motorbike, not a tiger. Wont do a damn thing unless you poke or prod it!
ANY bike will 'jump aggressively forward' even a fucking moped, if you are a numpty and clumsy and or brutal with the controls!
ter750 wrote:
Should i take a course

YES, you need to start with a Compulsary Basic Training course. Thats where EVERY-ONE has to start... and you might learn a thing or two while you are about it, to guide future decissions.
ter750 wrote:
i'm thinking to buy 2009 APRILIA RS 125 cc Full Power, 6900 miles
, any suggestion on the market price? (as low as possible Smile )

STOP THINKING - .... no... that will do, just stop thinking.
An Aprillia RS125 full power is of absolutely NO use to you. You cant legally ride anything till you have completed CBT. And you cant ride a full-power RS on CBT, you would have to get your A2 licence. And its not a wonderful learner or newby bike. Its NOT even particularly fast. Its about as quick as a thirty year old Honda CB250 commuter single. Go through the buyers guildes you'll struggle to find many full licence bikes THAT slow.
Meanwhile, 125's have two potentially useful properties; they can be cheap, and they can be reletively easy to ride. RS is neither, sacrificing both to 'speed' that it doesn't really have in any great measure. It uses more fuel than my 750, costs more to insure than my missus 750, and is a damn site less reliable, and requires even more diligent maintenence than any of my old clunkers.
It is just NOT a great first bike.

So go do a CBT and take it from there.

Able to ride a 14bhp 125 on L'Plates; you may want to get some early rider experience on one; they are useful and if you are reasonably sensible, usefully cheap. Certainly a good way to beat bus-fares on a student grant.

If you are strapped for cash; within the 2-years of your CBT validity, can be worth while self booking the A1 licence tests; Theory/Hazard, and Mods 1 & 2 on your own learner-legal 125. All up costs are £121.50, I beleive, as much as a repeat CBT course to perpetually L-Plate. Puts a full 125 'only' licence in your pocket, but also confidence you can pass tests, as well as small bounses you might takle a pillion and or use motorways.

If you want a more inspiring motorcycle; you will have to go for A2 licence. This is likely to demand a fuller training course, as you will almost certainly need a school to provide a bike to take tests on, and legally required supervision to let you ride it on the road before passing tests.

If you want that licence straight away; you better book a course; but training can be expensive, and if you have never had a bike before; you ARE likely to need a fair bit.

In which case, getting your own 125, and spending maybe a year on it, getting some experience can be useful; lets you save up for a course, enjoying 125 'cheapness' if you have picked a sensible one; and when you come to do your course, ought to be pretty familiar and not need so much training. If you have done your A1 on your own 125 in the mean-time; possibly very little, could be almost a formality, to 'upgrade'. Certainly having done A1, you wont need to repeat your Hazard/tyheory test or CBT or be worried certificates might expire before test apointments.

BUT.... starting point is booking a CBT... rest is all totally accademic till then.

So go away, book your 'course' and go learn a thing or two; take it one step at a time.
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PostPosted: 15:32 - 21 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
clancy wrote:
Do you want a full bike liscence or just a 125?

If you just want a 125, book a cbt and buy a 125

Otherwise, cbt then theory test then restricted A2 liscence or whatever they call it now days. Then you can ride a bigger bike restricted

I would advise not buying an Rs 125 unless it's been properly maintained at all service intervals, and when you buy it you will need to stick to that or they become very unreliable and break. If you do not want to do or pay for regular maintenance a 4 stroke would be a better option. Because the service intervals are far further apart

yeah, i will do cbt then theory test then restricted A2 liscence Smile
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PostPosted: 15:44 - 21 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Then don't look at 125s, do your test buy a bigger bike a restrict it. Will be a far better bike
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PostPosted: 15:45 - 21 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
ter750 wrote:
i'd like a motorcycle that will not jump aggressively forward with a bit of throttle. Smile

'Kin hell, smileter750.

Put the horse before the cart. Do your CBT, see if you enjoy it. If you do, then do a taught A2 course. You'll then be competent to ride a 35kW 500cc+ bike and will be in a far better position to (not) make this kind of statement.


seen that from website-.-
https://www.lazymotorbike.eu/motorcycles/firstmotorcycle/
'Low rpm's
So, you should start looking for motorcycles that feel happy at relatively low rpm's. A motorcycle that will not jump aggressively forward with a bit of throttle (at low or at high rpm's), but instead accelerates smooth and linear: just a matter of more throttle, more speed.'
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PostPosted: 15:56 - 21 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
So no doubt you'll try riding some, to find such a machine.....
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PostPosted: 16:23 - 21 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
thanks for all the replys glad to know those things about bikes,
updates when i got my A2 licence hopefully.


ps: not a native speaker Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 16:48 - 21 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
ter750 wrote:
seen that from website-.-
https://www.lazymotorbike.eu/motorcycles/firstmotorcycle/
'Low rpm's
So, you should start looking for motorcycles that feel happy at relatively low rpm's. A motorcycle that will not jump aggressively forward with a bit of throttle (at low or at high rpm's), but instead accelerates smooth and linear: just a matter of more throttle, more speed.'

Are you Dutch? Are you living in Holland?

There seems some good advice in there, and while its translation to English is probably better than I could translate into dutch-ish... I think a fair bit is being lost along the way.

What he's talking about is the 'charecter' of the bike, and how 'new-rider-freindly' they are; something not easily inferred from basic machine specifications.

As said, RS125 does not have a very newby friendly character. Bikes like the ER6 used by riding schools, do... that's why the schools use them!

But either way, 90% of riding a bike is in throttle control; no bike will do it all for you, you have to 'get a feel' and learn to manage it.
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