Police Bikers

[Speedysidders]

Yesterday I found myself riding behind 3 Police bikers and apart from being on my best behaviour my mind was going crazy in some sort of never ending cycle of confusion.

Now I've heard to be a police motorcyclist (whatever they are called) you have to have a high level of motorcycling skill and how it is a rigid and difficult thing to do.

What has confused me is the guy in the middle was an instructor, also a police motorcyclist (?) meaning he would of had to do a police motorcyclist instructor type course, right?

So this leads me to believe that there must be a police motorcycle instructor instructor. This also leads me to believe there must be a police motorcycle instructor instructor instructor and in my head it never ends..

Can someone elaborate because it's driving me crazy.
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[pinkyfloyd]

I guess it is a lot like my situation. I am a motorcycle instructor. I was trained by a motorcycle instructor and not an instructor instructor.

In September when (if) I pass my Cardington Assessment I will then be qualified to teach up to 10 more people on site to become instructors. I will still remain a single instructor and not a double instructor.

So the chances are the police instructor was trained by an already experienced instructor. There would be no guy at the top of the tree who teaches instructors how to instruct full time. He'd be trained by a guy who does exactly what he was doing in the middle.
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illuminateTHEmind wrote: I am just more evolved than most of you guys... this allows me to pick of things quickly which would have normally taken the common man years to master
Hockeystorm65:.well there are childish arguments...there are very childish arguments.....there are really stupid childish arguments and now there are......Pinkfloyd arguments!
Teflon-Mike:I think I agree with just about all Pinky has said.

[Jayy]

Some say, they can't train the instructors, instructors quick enough, before the next instructor needs instructing.

It's a vicious circle.

[Speedysidders]

That clears it up, that makes full sense.

I think I'm going to with the theory that they can't be trained quick enough.

Because that makes me happy.

And I like being happy.
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[Rogerborg]

Oh, the jobs people work at!

Out west near Hawtch-Hawtch there’s a Hawtch-Hawtcher bee watcher, his job is to watch. Is to keep both his eyes on the lazy town bee, a bee that is watched will work harder you see.

So he watched and he watched, but in spite of his watch that bee didn’t work any harder not mawtch.

So then somebody said “Our old bee-watching man just isn’t bee watching as hard as he can, he ought to be watched by another Hawtch-Hawtcher! The thing that we need is a bee-watcher-watcher!”.

Well, the bee-watcher-watcher watched the bee-watcher. He didn’t watch well so another Hawtch-Hawtcher had to come in as a watch-watcher-watcher! And now all the Hawtchers who live in Hawtch-Hawtch are watching on watch watcher watchering watch, watch watching the watcher who’s watching that bee.

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You’re not a Hawtch-Watcher, you’re lucky you see!
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[pinkyfloyd]

Agreed, for me to become just a CBT instructor it has taken a good 7 months to get to where I am and I am still training. OK I am training with live students and qualified to issue the certificate under the bosses licence. I have my own warrant card etc.

A police riding instructor would probably be advanced trained. Much like AIM. Teaching already qualified and competent riders advance skills like high speed riding. I would guess to become an instructor would take a serious amount of work and then a very long time before that instructor was able to relate it to a trainee confidently.

As it stands I teach CBT to students, some of which have never been on a bike before. I do not believe I could teach someone to become an instructor of what I do without a lot more experience myself.
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illuminateTHEmind wrote: I am just more evolved than most of you guys... this allows me to pick of things quickly which would have normally taken the common man years to master
Hockeystorm65:.well there are childish arguments...there are very childish arguments.....there are really stupid childish arguments and now there are......Pinkfloyd arguments!
Teflon-Mike:I think I agree with just about all Pinky has said.

[Llama-Farmer]

In aviation, you are trained by an instructor, although there are different levels of instructor.
At a flying school, the CFI and maybe the DCFI (chief and deputy chief flying instructors) will be examiners as well, who can assess your licence skills test flight. These examiners are also generally able to train new instructors although not necessarily able to test them. Once certified, these new instructors can be re-assessed by the instructor/examiner for recertification.


When it gets to the airlines, you have check captains. These are normal pilots who most of the time do the same job as the others, except they are "instructors" trained to assess the regular pilots every few months, on a normal flight, or in the simulator.
There are also training captains who will monitor the new pilots for the first few months of line flying.
These check captains and training captains will be assessed by other "regular" check captains, not by check check captains.


Otherwise like you say it'd be an endless cycle reductio ad absurdum.
Once you get to a certain level as an instructor/examiner in most industries you're able to train to the same standard/level as you are yourself, and even do re-assessments on people to a higher standard.

In the airlines you can get "check captains" who aren't actually captains, they're qualified F/Os who assess people in the simulator... they're trained on what they're checking and it doesn't matter who they're checking.
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[Llama-Farmer]

[Ste]

[Speedysidders]

lord above
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[Wafer_Thin_Ham]

[willis1337]

This thread is "ad absurdum".
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[pinkyfloyd]

[Wafer_Thin_Ham]

[Northern Monkey]

There is a police driving instructor school somewhere around Leeds IIRC.

It'll work in a similar way to the Air Force instructor system probably. I guess there will be a chief instructor, who is in change of the syllabus, and everyone else has to regularly asses each other on the basis of adherence to the correct instructional technique, and adherence to the syllabus.

[raesewell]

Here is my theory for what it's worth.
The first ever Police Motorcyclist went on to be the first instructor and he must never ever die because he has to instruct the instructors intructors instructors
You get the idea
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[1198]

Maybe it's like Topgun. You're the best of the best, that kind of thing?

[Rogerborg]

[Boris the spider]

So who hit the brakes first ?
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[recman]

[Llama-Farmer]

[biggeeman]

Pretty sure the police get dedicated track time to perfect their skills.
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lol your funny

[stinkwheel]

It's like anything. You get better and better at something, then when you're really good, you are no longer allowed to do it because your job is to tell everyone else how to do it.
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[woodyeee]

It reminds me of being 18 when I taught a police motorcyclist how to ride a bike and escape from the not so long arm of the law.........that taught him!

[defblade]

I used to have a lot of respect for police riders - fast and smooth.

But then my Enhanced Riders Scheme was run by a police "instructor instructor" in the morning, and we had a big row about the difference between throttle application and revs and now I have much less respect.







(For anyone who gives a shit:
he asked "If you go into a corner at 30mph and keep the revs constant, what speed will you come out?" and told me I was wrong when I answered "exactly the same".
Now I understand you will have to increase throttle/give it gas to maintain the revs in a corner, but unless your overall gearing changes during the corner, the relationship between revs and speed will remain constant.
He didn't get it at all, which is worrying.)
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