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Clutchy
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PostPosted: 15:44 - 25 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
So you did 33 in a 20 and got flashed?


What sort of camera? GATSO?

Meh you'll find out soon, that's the only answer really Thumbs Down


Good luck, speed awareness course is suicidal btw Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:57 - 25 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Dunno mate 33 in a 20 is technically speeding and if the camera was rear facing expect a ticket, but at least you can always try and contest it with either the correct signs and the recalibration on the piggybank
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PostPosted: 16:47 - 25 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
You got clocked at over 20, I'd be expecting some points Laughing

Calibrated or not... they will show you at over 20.
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PostPosted: 17:56 - 25 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
PePiPoo, expect to be filing some FOIs about Traffic Orders soon.

Jaysus, 20mph, might be time to start draping a jacket over the plate. Sad
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PostPosted: 18:07 - 25 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
Jaysus, 20mph, might be time to start draping a jacket over the plate. Sad


Just get a standard sized one. Leave it in the garden for a week, snap it and pop it under your rear seat. Remove current plate. Carry V5.

When you get tugged "Came back to it parked up and the plate was broken, I do have my V5 though" Wink
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PostPosted: 18:29 - 25 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
I was wondering, if one of the bolts "vibrated loose" and the plate rotated 90 degrees, how would ANPR like dem apples? Thinking
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PostPosted: 18:35 - 25 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Turn the picture 90°?
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Clutchy
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PostPosted: 18:45 - 25 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
DanYZF wrote:
Turn the picture 90°?



ANPR

Automatic Number Plate Recognition/reader


turning it 90° would make it a manual task Wink


I imagine they probably can decipher it automatically anyway
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Kickstart
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 25 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi

Check the rules carefully for 20mph speed limits. Quite a while since I checked but back then most were not legal.

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Devon Boy
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PostPosted: 20:54 - 25 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Worth checking the distance of the 20mph "order signs." Lots are incorrectly spaced and therefore un-enforceable.
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PostPosted: 22:32 - 25 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Clutchy wrote:
speed awareness course is suicidal btw Laughing

SAS courses aren't offered to 20 MPH miscreants.
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PostPosted: 22:39 - 25 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Why even have roads if you have a 20mph speed limit?

I'll have my tax back please. Do we have a libertarian party yet?
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 25 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Benno wrote:
Why even have roads if you have a 20mph speed limit?


Because some politicians are so desperate to be seen by the gullible to be doing something that they will push through useless measure, whatever the costs or even whether it increases deaths.

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PostPosted: 23:04 - 25 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kickstart wrote:
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Check the rules carefully for 20mph speed limits. Quite a while since I checked but back then most were not legal.

All the best

Keith


Indeed. They are usually badly/incorrectly applied.

There is a requirement for street calming furniture within a certain distance of all parts of a 20mph "zone" (so with the rectangular signs with a black border round them at the start of it as opposed to a 20mph "limit" with normal round signs) among other things. There are exceptions for school zones though.

The Traffic Signs General (Amendment) Directions 1999

It's 100 metres so if the streetview picture shown is a 20mph "zone" rather than a 20mph "limit". There should be a speed hump or chicaine in that shot or the 20 zone is non-compliant.

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PostPosted: 01:33 - 26 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
PePiPoo, expect to be filing some FOIs about Traffic Orders soon.


The ones on main roads in Islington are without doubt unenforceable. Islington used the original public consultation for a 20mph limit in side roads to cover the main roads so in effect there was no public consultation as required by law. Unfortunately when ever I have tried to do anything with Pepipoo it has been ignored.
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PostPosted: 11:12 - 26 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:

There is a requirement for street calming furniture within a certain distance of all parts of a 20mph "zone" (so with the rectangular signs with a black border round them at the start of it as opposed to a 20mph "limit" with normal round signs) among other things. There are exceptions for school zones though.


Bit I remember was that there are 20mph limits and 20mph zones. The zones required traffic calming and also something to gate the area (such as a chicane) but got away without repeaters. A 20mph limit required regular repeater signs otherwise it just defaulted to the normal limit for that area (ie, pretty much 60mph with no street lights, 30mph with street lights)

All the best

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PostPosted: 11:40 - 26 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kickstart wrote:


Bit I remember was that there are 20mph limits and 20mph zones. The zones required traffic calming and also something to gate the area (such as a chicane) but got away without repeaters. A 20mph limit required regular repeater signs otherwise it just defaulted to the normal limit for that area (ie, pretty much 60mph with no street lights, 30mph with street lights)

All the best

Keith
I believe pretty much anything can be a gate to start a zone, a roundabout (normal or mini) or even a sharp bend in the road. The main point of the requirement for calming was at the time the police said they would not enforce them so they had to be self enforcing.

I think they are a stupid idea and I've put quite a few in over the years, but this sort of thing is politician led.
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