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 Posted: 11:29 - 29 Apr 2014 Post subject: National cycle group CTC against motorcycling !!! |
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IMHO after this thread anything put out by MAG has zero to no credibility.
Which is a shame. ____________________ ...and the whirlwind is in the thorn trees, it's hard for thee to kick against the pricks...
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CTC sound like they're being run by BRAKE or Netmums (they probably are).
"We are concerned about increases in motorcycle traffic"
"Concerned about the threat of motorcycles to pedestrians and cyclists".
Give me some figures on it, or be quiet as you're talking utter piffle. ____________________ My Flickr |
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They are talking piffle, we crunched the numbers.
tl;dr version - it's about as valid[*] to argue for banning pedalists to protect motorcyclist as the other way around.
[*] not at all. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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| Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote: | CTC sound like they're being run by BRAKE or Netmums (they probably are).
"We are concerned about increases in motorcycle traffic"
"Concerned about the threat of motorcycles to pedestrians and cyclists".
Give me some figures on it, or be quiet as you're talking utter piffle. |
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CTC waffle:
https://www.ctc.org.uk/sites/default/files/file_public/motorbikesbrf.pdf
"For every mile they travel, PTWs are more likely than a car to kill a cyclist. According to the DfT, in 2012 cars accounted for 74% of traffic in Great Britain, and were involved in 47% of cyclist deaths, whereas PTWs account for 1% of traffic, but 2% of cyclist deaths."
Note: cars. Let's look at their source:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/265224/Pedal_Cyclist_Factsheet_2012.pdf
Type / % of traffic / % of pedalist fatalities
Buses / 1% / 6% (x6)
HGVs / 5% / 19% (x3.8)
PTWs / 1% / 2% (x2)
Pedalists / 1% / 1% (x1)
Cars / 79% / 47% (x0.59)
LGVs / 14% / 6% (x0.42)
So to increase pedalist safety, we should first ban buses, then HGVS, then motorcycles and scooters then... pedalists. Because they kill more pedalists than cars and LGVs.
Best result is everyone is in Transit vans, apparently.
Anyway, fuck these smug twunts. Pardon my French.
I don't mean cyclists, I'm egregiously careful and courteous around them, and I will continue to be, I mean the CTC and other lobbyist groups.
Nothing will ever be enough for them. They won't be happy until every other form of transport is banned, and then they'll turn on themselves.
Read more: https://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news--general-news/cycle-lobby-still-opposes-motorcycling-increase/24881.html#ixzz30HbXVCdm
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 12 years, 57 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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