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Scotsman37
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PostPosted: 11:29 - 29 Apr 2014    Post subject: National cycle group CTC against motorcycling !!! Reply with quote

National cycle group CTC recently said it opposed any move which could encourage more motorcycling. But MAG President Ian Mutch hasn’t taken the hint

Read more: https://www.visordown.com/features/lunchtime-debate-cyclists-are-our-friends/24898.html#ixzz30GmAeZ32


https://www.visordown.com/features/lunchtime-debate-cyclists-are-our-friends/24898.html

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https://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news--general-news/cycle-lobby-still-opposes-motorcycling-increase/24881.html
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PostPosted: 11:40 - 29 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Divide and conquer.
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PostPosted: 11:57 - 29 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMHO after this thread anything put out by MAG has zero to no credibility.
Which is a shame.
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PostPosted: 12:10 - 29 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

CTC sound like they're being run by BRAKE or Netmums (they probably are).

"We are concerned about increases in motorcycle traffic"

"Concerned about the threat of motorcycles to pedestrians and cyclists".

Give me some figures on it, or be quiet as you're talking utter piffle.
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PostPosted: 13:45 - 29 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

CTC sound like one of those lobby groups that don't give a toss about anything but their pet hobby and would gleefully wipe out any form of transport ther than bicycles, oh and of course only CTC members would be allowed to ride.

Years ago there was a similar debate raging in the off-road 4wd world when the Ramblers Association was campaigning to get the last few remaining miles of green lanes and BOATs downgraded to footpaths. Same selfish moronic attitude, same bullshit 'facts' and stats.
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 29 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are talking piffle, we crunched the numbers.

tl;dr version - it's about as valid[*] to argue for banning pedalists to protect motorcyclist as the other way around.

[*] not at all.
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PostPosted: 14:48 - 29 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:
CTC sound like they're being run by BRAKE or Netmums (they probably are).

"We are concerned about increases in motorcycle traffic"

"Concerned about the threat of motorcycles to pedestrians and cyclists".

Give me some figures on it, or be quiet as you're talking utter piffle.


RogerBorg wrote:

CTC waffle:

https://www.ctc.org.uk/sites/default/files/file_public/motorbikesbrf.pdf

"For every mile they travel, PTWs are more likely than a car to kill a cyclist. According to the DfT, in 2012 cars accounted for 74% of traffic in Great Britain, and were involved in 47% of cyclist deaths, whereas PTWs account for 1% of traffic, but 2% of cyclist deaths."

Note: cars. Let's look at their source:

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/265224/Pedal_Cyclist_Factsheet_2012.pdf

Type / % of traffic / % of pedalist fatalities

Buses / 1% / 6% (x6)
HGVs / 5% / 19% (x3.8)
PTWs / 1% / 2% (x2)
Pedalists / 1% / 1% (x1)
Cars / 79% / 47% (x0.59)
LGVs / 14% / 6% (x0.42)

So to increase pedalist safety, we should first ban buses, then HGVS, then motorcycles and scooters then... pedalists. Because they kill more pedalists than cars and LGVs.

Best result is everyone is in Transit vans, apparently.

Anyway, fuck these smug twunts. Pardon my French.

I don't mean cyclists, I'm egregiously careful and courteous around them, and I will continue to be, I mean the CTC and other lobbyist groups.

Nothing will ever be enough for them. They won't be happy until every other form of transport is banned, and then they'll turn on themselves.

Read more: https://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news--general-news/cycle-lobby-still-opposes-motorcycling-increase/24881.html#ixzz30HbXVCdm
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 29 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bet it's the Bicycle manufacturers, clothing & accessories industry that is the drive force behind this ludicrous attempt black ball motorcyclist because they are scared cyclists will naturally progress onwards to becoming motorcyclists instead?

A lot of these modern bicycles are now so expensive made from expensive materials, and for the same price you can easily buy a motorcycle for what they paid for it!
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PostPosted: 15:26 - 29 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scotsman37 wrote:
I bet it's the Bicycle manufacturers, clothing & accessories industry that is the drive force behind this ludicrous attempt black ball motorcyclist because they are scared cyclists will naturally progress onwards to becoming motorcyclists instead?

A lot of these modern bicycles are now so expensive made from expensive materials, and for the same price you can easily buy a motorcycle for what they paid for it!


Possibly. My bicycle was more expensive than 6 of my previous motorcycles (not altogether mind).

The thing is even within the lobby group some cyclists will also motorcyclists, so they are lobbying to make things worse for themsels.
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PostPosted: 15:37 - 29 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scotsman37 wrote:
A lot of these modern motorised bicycles are now so expensive made from expensive materials, and for the same price you can easily buy a car for what they paid for it!
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 29 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
They are talking piffle, we crunched the numbers.
tl;dr version - it's about as valid[*] to argue for banning pedalists to protect motorcyclist as the other way around.
[*] not at all.

Except motorcyclists generate money for the government via vehicle duty and petrol tax. Cyclist don't. That's even before cyclist say "we also own cars", motorcyclists do that as well.

So, which income stream looks good to a politician then ?

Don't get me started on which one generates jobs and money for the insurance industry Wink
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PostPosted: 18:53 - 29 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
They are talking piffle, we crunched the numbers.

tl;dr version - it's about as valid[*] to argue for banning pedalists to protect motorcyclist as the other way around.

[*] not at all.


How about banning cyclists, for their own good? None of them would die because of an encounter with another vehicle if there were none of them...
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 29 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScaredyCat wrote:
How about banning cyclists, for their own good? None of them would die because of an encounter with another vehicle if there were none of them...

If you accept that CTC's sources are statistically significant[*] then pedalists kill more pedalists than cars or LGVs per mile.

[*] They're not, it's one incident. But it's only two incidents for motorcycles. Even the total number of deaths is so small as to be noise.
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PostPosted: 21:28 - 29 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScaredyCat wrote:

How about banning cyclists, for their own good? None of them would die because of an encounter with another vehicle if there were none of them...


That should go down well with all the cyclists with their little baskets on the handlebars, the stunting cyclists, the 'once-in-a-blue-moon cyclists, the lycra clad cyclists, etc. In fact all the cyclists who ride motorbikes and can be found just above 'Fights and Flame wars' Wink
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PostPosted: 00:20 - 30 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about CBT for cyclists and a vin plate on bicycles? Proper training and a realistic possibility of getting caught if you misbehave would see the body count plummet.
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PostPosted: 01:54 - 30 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_Pagin wrote:
How about CBT for cyclists and a vin plate on bicycles? Proper training and a realistic possibility of getting caught if you misbehave would see the body count plummet.


It amazes me that more of them aren't killed or seriously injured tbh. The amount of times I've seen them either change lanes or move over from the outside of the lane to the inside, without so much as a cursory look over their shoulder amazes me. This only seems to be an issue with the darling lycra clad brigade though, for some reason. The average 'Joe Bloggs' type of cyclist as opposed to the wannabe 'Mark Cavendish' type, tend to be much more sensible on the road.
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 03 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hate cyclists !
Fuckin hate em !!

I'll qualify that
Not when I'm driving not when I'm riding my bike
never had an issue wth them on the road
but as a pedestrian

I live in a city, if I want to walk up the shops or library
why the fuck do I have jump out of the way of some arsehole
whizzing down the pavement on a bike?

These selfish inconsiderate twats seem to want it all their own way and show no regard or consideration for others.
If I heard heard these cnuts ended up under a bus I'd shed no tear for them
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PostPosted: 12:45 - 03 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:
arsehole whizzing down the pavement on a bike?


If I heard heard these cnuts ended up under a bus I'd shed no tear for them


Those that use the pavement rarely end up under a bus.
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PostPosted: 00:53 - 09 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
WD Forte wrote:
arsehole whizzing down the pavement on a bike?


If I heard heard these cunts ended up mangling their own genitals via their bicycles drive train I'd shed no tear for them


Those that use the pavement rarely end up under a bus.


Its OK I corrected him. If one of em had a large enough willy to get it caught in his chain, I would imagine it would be more than a significant loss to him to say the least.
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