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PostPosted: 22:11 - 30 Apr 2014    Post subject: Ethanol, not so green after all... Reply with quote

Running vehicles on ethanol rather than petrol increases ground-level ozone pollution.

https://www.nature.com/news/ethanol-fuels-ozone-pollution-1.15111
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PostPosted: 01:49 - 01 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It tastes horrible.
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PostPosted: 03:26 - 01 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ozone breaks up when it comes in contact with solid matter anyway, so it won't stay ozone for long.
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PostPosted: 06:27 - 01 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ozone is a contributor to smog. It is very aggressive towards certain materials, such as rubbers. It doesn't stay as ozone for long because it reacts with stuff to make bad stuff. Increased ozone levels at ground level is a bad thing.
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PostPosted: 08:54 - 01 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also farming aimed for gaining ethanol reduces arable land for growing food. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:56 - 01 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

...assuming you're using a crop for one thing. It is possible to get ethanol out of the cellulosic parts of a plant (stalks and the like) and thus use the grain for food.
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 01 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Au contraire, biofuel research is heavily invested in cellulosic ethanol production so that the food-or-fuel dilemma can be overcome. The stalk is not very rich in nutrients so most of what you plough in is carbon, which came from the atmosphere anyway.
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 01 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

weasley wrote:
...assuming you're using a crop for one thing. It is possible to get ethanol out of the cellulosic parts of a plant (stalks and the like) and thus use the grain for food.


Here, farmers have full fields of rape/colza (I googled the term). The thing is, it smells and people can/do not eat it. It is specificaly made to suck EU funds. Thumbs Up

I mean this:
https://www.aros.cz/wp-content/gallery/repka-olejka/repka_olejka_2.jpg
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 01 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course you can eat rape. The Italians eat it*, and I'm sure that a couple of other cultures do too.

Its slightly bitter, like brussel sprout tops - when you fry it in butter and garlic, and then put it in with a tomato sauce it does alright for a bit of greens.

My living room is currently covered in yellow blossom - whilst travelling past the field down the road from me country mansion, I thought some swiftly-snipped stalks of rape would make a scenic floral decoration for my flat in town, but I neglected to realise that the flowers would scatter all over every surface as soon as I tried to remove it out of the vase Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:00 - 01 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

*Mind you, the Italians eat songbirds too, and I'm sure that's not necessarily a good thing, either Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 05 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fuck it.

Its the future generation's problem to deal with.
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PostPosted: 07:14 - 06 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 07:25 - 06 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
Here, farmers have full fields of rape/colza (I googled the term). The thing is, it smells and people can/do not eat it. It is specificaly made to suck EU funds. Thumbs Up

I mean this:
https://www.aros.cz/wp-content/gallery/repka-olejka/repka_olejka_2.jpg


People can and do eat it... Animals eat it too. Much of your vegetable oil comes from rapeseed.
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