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PostPosted: 12:12 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: what do you think of showrooming? Reply with quote

When I buy new riding boots or jacket, I never order them online without trying them at actual shops. If the price difference was small, I try to buy them at the shop cause I don't have to wait, no need to dump carton, possibly fitting may be worse(rare though), and "thank you" to the shop. But I ordered the same boots from amazon cause the boots at the shop was stinky(maybe a lot of people tried them).

If everyone buy them from online like amazon, actual shops sales drop and maybe shut up like (the one near my house).
I don't know about amazon's strategy, but I'm afraid they may raise prices after actual shops disappeared.

So what do you think of showrooming? Do you think it wrong or OK?
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I don't mind spending an extra 10% to have the service and I'm not one for waiting in for parcels to arrive, so I buy in the shop and I'm happy to do so.

If the price difference is huge I won't, though. I sometimes give the shop the opportunity to rethink their price, however. If they don't want to then that's their choice.

Internet retail is like Tescos. You can see that ultimately it's going to be a bad thing and lead to the the death of the high street but they're just so convenient.....
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Re: what do you think of showrooming? Reply with quote

kawashima wrote:

I don't know about amazon's strategy, but I'm afraid they may raise prices after actual shops disappeared.


Even though the high street is competing with Amazon, Amazon isn't actually competing with the high street. They are competing with other on line sellers. Because there is always a guy who is willing to take a <1% per item profit, Amazon will always have to keep the prices low to stay on top. Because of their buying power over a one man show, they can do that and still turn a profit, but it does mean that their prices will continue to be comparable to what they are now, even if the high street becomes completely obsolete. If they start jacking the price up, people will go elsewhere.
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought both my textiles and my leathers at the store once I tried them on (separate times). I had a vague idea of how much they were on the internet but checking after, I'd actually paid LESS in store than I could have got them online.
Only the second time I went in (over six months later), the guy recognised me straight away and then gave me a tidy discount for the repeat business. Obviously, it's the first place I consider now.
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
I sometimes give the shop the opportunity to rethink their price, however. If they don't want to then that's their choice.

Recently actual shop prices seems to be aware of online shop prices. They are usually a little bit higher than online prices.
I haven't tried showing online price to shop clerk(asking if they discount), but it may work for me too.
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Re: what do you think of showrooming? Reply with quote

James83 wrote:
kawashima wrote:

I don't know about amazon's strategy, but I'm afraid they may raise prices after actual shops disappeared.


Even though the high street is competing with Amazon, Amazon isn't actually competing with the high street. They are competing with other on line sellers. Because there is always a guy who is willing to take a <1% per item profit, Amazon will always have to keep the prices low to stay on top. Because of their buying power over a one man show, they can do that and still turn a profit, but it does mean that their prices will continue to be comparable to what they are now, even if the high street becomes completely obsolete. If they start jacking the price up, people will go elsewhere.

Thanks! This is very helpful answer for me Thumbs Up

daverave999 wrote:
I bought both my textiles and my leathers at the store once I tried them on (separate times). I had a vague idea of how much they were on the internet but checking after, I'd actually paid LESS in store than I could have got them online.
Only the second time I went in (over six months later), the guy recognised me straight away and then gave me a tidy discount for the repeat business. Obviously, it's the first place I consider now.

This is really cool relation with the store. Very nice Thumbs Up

p.s. I should've used "store" instead of "shop".
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I bought my lid, I obviously went to a shop to try it on but it was over 30 quid more than online somewhere.

I told them, thanks for letting me try on but 35 quid is a lot for me, probably is for anyone else too.

The guy ran off and said, yeah no worries we'll do the online price for ya. At the same time I bought another lid for the missus and they knocked off 10% on that too.
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PostPosted: 13:17 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

snoosnoo wrote:
When I bought my lid, I obviously went to a shop to try it on but it was over 30 quid more than online somewhere.

I told them, thanks for letting me try on but 35 quid is a lot for me, probably is for anyone else too.

The guy ran off and said, yeah no worries we'll do the online price for ya. At the same time I bought another lid for the missus and they knocked off 10% on that too.

35 quid discount is huge Shocked What a bargain!
Buying another lid at the shop must be really helpful for the shop too!
I think this kind of act is really British. (Gentleman) Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

kawashima wrote:
snoosnoo wrote:
When I bought my lid, I obviously went to a shop to try it on but it was over 30 quid more than online somewhere.

I told them, thanks for letting me try on but 35 quid is a lot for me, probably is for anyone else too.

The guy ran off and said, yeah no worries we'll do the online price for ya. At the same time I bought another lid for the missus and they knocked off 10% on that too.

35 quid discount is huge Shocked What a bargain!
Buying another lid at the shop must be really helpful for the shop too!
I think this kind of act is really British. (Gentleman) Thumbs Up


I was happy, they got 230 quid for the sale of two helmets. A company can pay their staff for a day Smile
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Always try to buy from a physical shop if possible. Means I can try the stuff on, compare it with other alternatives etc, and hopefully, if I need to, returning/exchanging is easier. Plus you don't have to wait for the item to arrive. And keeping the local bike shops in business is in everyones interest I think, if the shops are good.


Only exception to this is I'll often buy online from Demon Tweeks, which have a physical store too which I've been to, it's very good and really helpful staff as well but just too far away in Wrexham to visit when I want to.


I don't mind paying slightly more in a shop, because they do have higher overheads than online-only retailers, but at the same time will always hope for a discount. Places I go to regularly will usually give me one without asking, other places if I'm buying enough stuff will usually give me one if I ask. Hein Gericke I always used to ask for one purely because they were overpriced but generally really helpful
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PostPosted: 13:24 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Re: what do you think of showrooming? Reply with quote

kawashima wrote:
p.s. I should've used "store" instead of "shop".


A dictionary may show a difference between the two words but I'd say they are the same conversationaly.
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PostPosted: 13:34 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sometimes the online price is so good you're stupid to pay shop price. I tend to think this is more for hardwear (cameras/spares etc) but clothing is not massively cheaper online and if bought fom ebay is often a second.

When Hein Gerick was going under I overheard one of the workers saying he felt a lot of the problem was they couldent offer "deals" to customers. Given clothing markups are easily 100% its an area with massive room for a deal so there's not a lot of excuse if a retailer dousent give their staff room to deal.
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PostPosted: 13:45 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

LlamaFarmer wrote:
and hopefully, if I need to, returning/exchanging is easier. Plus you don't have to wait for the item to arrive. And keeping the local bike shops in business is in everyones interest I think, if the shops are good.

I agree with this. I once changed the size of riding pants I ordered online, I don't want to do it again. Especially it must be troublesome if the product was faulty.

LlamaFarmer wrote:
Only exception to this is I'll often buy online from Demon Tweeks, which have a physical store too which I've been to, it's very good and really helpful staff as well but just too far away in Wrexham to visit when I want to.

I like this idea too! Saving petrol to visit physical store far away.
Also it's more reliable than online only shop.

c_dug wrote:
kawashima wrote:
p.s. I should've used "store" instead of "shop".


A dictionary may show a difference between the two words but I'd say they are the same conversationaly.

Thank you Thumbs Up My electirc dictionary was saying store is big one, shop is small one, and I thought big store can more compete with online prices. I can use both words.
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PostPosted: 13:50 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

For my helmet (Schuberth C3), the difference online vs offline was ~200 GBP IIRC.

For my textiles, the difference was maybe 150 + 400 GBP (jacket and trousers respectively - bought from louis.de or motoin.de).

For my 2-piece leathers, the difference was 150 GBP (25% of price) - and the store didn't have the exact size in stock, would have had to order it from Italy (Dainese), and Italy was on holiday (August).

For this kind of money, it's not worth paying the premium IMO.
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boozehawk wrote:
Sometimes the online price is so good you're stupid to pay shop price. I tend to think this is more for hardwear (cameras/spares etc) but clothing is not massively cheaper online and if bought fom ebay is often a second.

I agree most of electronic products which doesn't need special maintenance, and which are not broken easily are best to buy online.
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PostPosted: 14:13 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amazon is great for accepting returns and they pay the postage.

If your credit card isn't too full you can buy the few pairs of boots you're considering, try them on and send them all back apart from the ones you like best. I've had no problems with any of the online shops I've done this with.

Online shopping offers much more than high street shops can, as you can get pretty much anything delivered next day, I only go to actual shops if it's something I want or need right then.

Trying on and then buying online is a bit crap, if you want that shops services then you should buy from them.
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PostPosted: 14:15 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always try to buy from a shop if I have felt the need to try something on, fiddle with something, test it out or whatever. Purely because if they go under, chances are you're gonna spend more time sending stuff back which doesn't fit/feel right/work how you want or whatever.


I nearly always ask if they will match the online price though, often printing out the page for the item so they can see it.

Usually they will match or get closer to it, so it's win win for everyone.
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just get 2 sizes and a range of things from somewhere like Sportsbikeshop and then just send the ones back I dont mind. They do free postage returns now. Do this with all clothes to be honest.
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PostPosted: 15:20 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doomsnite wrote:
I just get 2 sizes and a range of things from somewhere like Sportsbikeshop and then just send the ones back I dont mind. They do free postage returns now. Do this with all clothes to be honest.


This, I buy most of my stuff online. I can obsessively compare items to find the best one at the right price. Plus with all the DSR's you seem to actually have more protection buying online than in real life.
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PostPosted: 16:51 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

kawashima wrote:
LlamaFarmer wrote:
and hopefully, if I need to, returning/exchanging is easier. Plus you don't have to wait for the item to arrive. And keeping the local bike shops in business is in everyones interest I think, if the shops are good.

I agree with this. I once changed the size of riding pants I ordered online, I don't want to do it again. Especially it must be troublesome if the product was faulty.

LlamaFarmer wrote:
Only exception to this is I'll often buy online from Demon Tweeks, which have a physical store too which I've been to, it's very good and really helpful staff as well but just too far away in Wrexham to visit when I want to.

I like this idea too! Saving petrol to visit physical store far away.
Also it's more reliable than online only shop.


It's 2-3 hours drive/ride, the best part of a whole day by the time you've wandered round and tried stuff on.

It is a big superstore, they have motorcycle department, but also a car department and a motorsport specific department too, so you can wander round for hours wishing you had the money to buy all the nice shiny stuff.

But the staff work in their specific department, so the motorcycle dept is staffed just by the bike staff who are obviously all very experienced riders themselves.

They all have their own phone line at the store too, so you can call up and chat about kit and stuff, ask them any questions and order over the phone. Often a good way to talk your way into a discount.



But there are smaller independent bike garage/shops around too with a few 2nd hand bikes but mostly there for servicing/MOT and also a handful of clothing/accessories as well as a fully stocked parts desk.
Whilst I'd sooner service the bike myself, I do need shops like that around when it comes to the more complicated jobs I can't do, or for MOT etc, and so I'll tend to go there for service parts rather than the internet... don't usually save much money over the internet anyway.
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PostPosted: 16:59 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've bought all my motorbike gear in shops, from £400 Shoei helmets to boots and full sets of textiles. I can be a bit impulsive and sometimes regret it when I look online and see how much cheaper they were, but everything I've bought has been as well priced in the shop as it was online. In fact, my Shoei lid was quite a bit cheaper because they had a deal in the shop that wasn't anywhere online.

I'm happy because I've had a good customer experience, a chance to browse and try different things on, and the shop can remain in business because of my (and hopefully many others) loyalty.
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PostPosted: 19:01 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do (or did) try to support my local J&S but last time I was in looking for an open face lid, they had a tiny selection in stock, and no particular interest in getting anything else in. "Well, we could, but..."

So really, what service are they offering that's worth my time, let alone any price premium? I'm a pretty standard medium, so I went home, click, done.

If the shop doesn't offer anything more than I can get online, will I miss them when they're gone? I can't see why.
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

motorbike stuff I pretty much only buy online now

regular clothes I like to try on in the shops, though I am a bit of a tart when it comes to fashion since I've lost 4 stone Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the past, there have been bike shops I've been happy to frequent because they offered more than just the things I wanted to buy. That is, the staff were welcoming, friendly and ready to just have a chat/offer a coffee. I also enjoy a close up look at the bikes in the flesh, and prefer to buy clothing/helmets by trying on different brands/models all in one place.

A really good dealer was like a small community, where you might bump into friends too, or use it as a meeting point for ride outs etc.

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PostPosted: 09:25 - 03 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

As soon as the internet solves the delivery and courier issue I think that is the day the high street is doomed.

Until then, I don't fancy driving an hour to collect my parcel because I work when they want to deliver the items. Ergo: I haggle with the shop.
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