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BikerMatt
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: CBR impossible problem? Reply with quote

Hello all, absolutely baffled.. for the past 2 weeks I have been working around the clock trying to fix this, so.

My cbr125 all of a sudden had developed a stalling/cutting out problem as if it's being drowned with fuel whenever you go past 1/4 - 1/2 throttle UNDER LOAD.. the bike was running like a gem before and still does AT IDLE and will redline with ease AT IDLE. The bike is regularly maintained, from my work so far i have ruled it down to electrical

So far I have done:
major OCD carb disassembles and cleans
changed spark plugs, coils, caps and wire leading to cap itself
replaced entire wiring loom+tried 3 cdi's
replaced top end+gaskets
new ignition
3 tanks of different fuel+redex
tank cap (because of vent)
fuel line and breather+no kinks
air filter
battery is HEALTHY
it is earthing fine
pick ups are spot on+timing
disconnected clutch+side stand switch
no splits or leaks @ intake

edit: plug is wet+strong, constant blue spark and black in colour
compression is NORMAL
choke functioning normal
all fuses fine

dunno what else i have done on the top of my head, any help greatly appreciated, thanks Neutral
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PostPosted: 07:01 - 03 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

From
https://www.ngksparkplugs.com/tech_support/spark_plugs/faqs/faqread.asp?mode=nml

"Dark coloring, such as heavy black wet or dry deposits can indicate an overly-rich condition, too cold a heat range spark plug, a possible vacuum leak, low compression, overly retarded timing or too large a plug gap.

If the deposits are wet, it can be an indication of a breached head gasket, poor oil control from ring or valvetrain problems or an extremely rich condition - depending on the nature of the liquid present at the firing tip."
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PostPosted: 08:12 - 04 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

does it have a choke?- could that be stuck in the ON position at the plunger?
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PostPosted: 09:32 - 04 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pick a 2nd hand carb up for what they cost,
see if the problem is the same,
Sounds like a carb issue if its over fuelling
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 06 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies, will try to get another carb on it and I've ridden with the choke fully on before and didn't make much of a difference apart from exhaust popping Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 06 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

BikerMatt wrote:
Thanks for the replies, will try to get another carb on it and I've ridden with the choke fully on before and didn't make much of a difference apart from exhaust popping Laughing


OK- that suggests that the choke isn't working- especially if there is no noticeable "pick up" when you start it from cold.

Follow the choke to where it enters the carb & remove/clean it- ensure the cable runs free.
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PostPosted: 18:50 - 06 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok I think I understated a little bit Rolling Eyes but the choke and carb is functioning fine, does it's normal job but it looks like the problem's pointing towards the pickups so will do a diagnostic on Friday
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 06 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vacuum tap? If so, set it to prime and block the vac hose to make sure that high engine vacuum isn't pulling fuel past the diaphragm.
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 06 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
set it to prime


It's electric, no petcock Laughing but will block the vacuum and see Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 08:16 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take the top of the air filter off and take out the actual air filter and see if its full of petrol. If it is check the little black hook thing and the float as that might need replacing as its constantly flooding it. Thats what happened to my cbr anyway, one day it was working spot on took it the shops then it stopped.
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PostPosted: 08:42 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jonny491 wrote:
Take the top of the air filter off and take out the actual air filter and see if its full of petrol. If it is check the little black hook thing and the float as that might need replacing as its constantly flooding it. Thats what happened to my cbr anyway, one day it was working spot on took it the shops then it stopped.


It has a pod filter so I get an extra 100hp Cool

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PostPosted: 08:57 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds to be fuel air mix
If not standard air filter /exhaust it has been re jetted yes ??
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PostPosted: 09:18 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

davebike wrote:
Sounds to be fuel air mix
If not standard air filter /exhaust it has been re jetted yes ??


This is my bet after you've mentioned the filter

You do know your bikes probably worse of for the filter you have put on ?
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PostPosted: 09:41 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah would like to stay on topic thanks this is about my bikes bogging problem not my bike mods and what you think of it. Yes it has been rejetted with an exhaust and has been fine for a year and never missed a beat, just this sudden problem has come about Neutral
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PostPosted: 10:04 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

BikerMatt wrote:
Yeah would like to stay on topic thanks this is about my bikes bogging problem not my bike mods and what you think of it. Yes it has been rejetted with an exhaust and has been fine for a year and never missed a beat, just this sudden problem has come about Neutral


The comments are on topic and aren't opinions. It was brought up because it could of caused your problem. If your asking for help I would it's a good idea not to get shitty when people point out what the issue could be.

Did you follow the advice you where given about the choke ?

The issue still sounds like fuel air mix. Carb is assembled correctly ? What have you been cleaning it with?
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PostPosted: 10:13 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

clancy wrote:
BikerMatt wrote:
Yeah would like to stay on topic thanks this is about my bikes bogging problem not my bike mods and what you think of it. Yes it has been rejetted with an exhaust and has been fine for a year and never missed a beat, just this sudden problem has come about Neutral


The comments are on topic and aren't opinions. It was brought up because it could of caused your problem. If your asking for help I would it's a good idea not to get shitty when people point out what the issue could be.

Did you follow the advice you where given about the choke ?

The issue still sounds like fuel air mix. Carb is assembled correctly ? What have you been cleaning it with?


I've noticed people on here have a tendency to have a go at people modding 125's, sounded like you were doing just that so apologies. But I'm sure it's not the filter or choke and carb disassembled like 2305273 times and put back in order with no faults.. I can see through the jets, needle's fine etc and use brake/carb clean. I've blocked off the vacuum to the fuel pump/tap and will take it for a run in a bit

Edit: ah I forgot to mention the problem only comes about when it's underload AND the engine is hot.. when it's cold-warm it's fine, warm it can be a bit iffy sometimes Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 10:23 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you still have the original air filter?

If you're bored, put it back on and see if that makes a difference?
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PostPosted: 10:27 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: long shot Reply with quote

many years ago.........bike starts and runs great but when its ridden it wont pull the skin off a rice pudding...........on stand everything seems great, but when riding the problems starts.....that's what he said..........so i see it and its as described, and when ridden the problem started....that is till it stood up whilst riding.............a rag under the seat blocking the air intake when sitting on the seat!!

it happens dudes......a long shot I know but stuff like this happens......
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clutchy- still have it, was going to try that after testing the vacuum Very Happy

bikenut-.... hahaha Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 10:39 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

true story dude........
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PostPosted: 10:45 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

does the front bit of the exhaust glow red hot?? does the ign advance properly as you thinks its electrical..........use a neon plug cap and "see" whats happening with the ht.........does it stop flashing or goes intermittent??

revs fine on the stand but goes flat when riding..........
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PostPosted: 10:50 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

bikenut wrote:
neon plug cap


ohhh never heard of those Surprised defo have to get me one of them, just looked them up Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm made a massive leap in progress I'd say.. disconnected the vacuum and it runs like and absolute dream until it stalls when you come to a stop. I have taken off the tap and sprayed it along with the pipes and installed it back onto the tank TIGHT (bit loose before Neutral ) and put some sealant around the thread, wait for it to dry and see the result.. there was also petrol creeping out the thread before Pale like how water runs down the side of a glass if you pour

edit: tested it and it's back to bogging but taking the vacuum off makes a noticeable difference
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nailed it, the vacuum has been leaking the whole time
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