Car hits biker while biker overtaking.

[MattJ]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnt9MLVMOh0

Thoughts?

I think it was a crap overtake personally. Way too slow and way too close to the car.

[RhynoCZ]

We've seen this here before and it was bikers fault. He was too slow, not using the high beam to let the car drive know he was gonna over take him and so on.
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[berzerker]

You can see from the start of the video that the red car is looking for an overtake, doh.

[recman]

Really shit obs by the driver, also everyone is on the wrong side of the road.

[c_dug]

Agree, though still not much of an excuse on the drivers part, checking mirrors properly should have at least alerted the cager to the presence of a bike behind, and a look before overtaking would have shown an absence of biker, meaning the bike is likely in a blind spot and caution should be taken.

Regardless, if the biker was in a better gear, and moved properly into the lane before accelerating briskly the accident probably could have been avoided.
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[chris-red]

I always when overtaking like that A do it full throttle to get by as quickly as possible and B if the car is looking for an overtake which it clearly is, rev, horn, lights anything so they know you are there. Yes the driver should have looked but the riding was poor, no point being right if you are dead.
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[barrkel]

For me the red flag was at the start of the video, where the offender's car was doing an overtake, across a solid white line, approaching a blind crest.

It's rare enough for cars to overtake other cars that aren't totally dawdling. But to do so in those circumstances, and in a non-sports car, signals an immature jackass at the wheel.

I like to get a bit of a feel for the driver in front when riding on the open road. This guy stood out like a sore thumb.
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[tbourner]

Where did the bike go?
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[Llama-Farmer]

Yup, poor obs, poor positioning, poor speed.

Yes the Golf did pull an overtake without checking mirrors or blind spot, but rider could have avoided it by doing any number of things differently
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[Nexus Icon]

Yup, car driver's fault, 100%, but I like to think I'd have avoided that if I was on the bike as there were enough warning signs.

A few years ago I was following a red Fiesta along some country roads. We were moving along quite briskly but under the NSL so an overtake would have been perfectly acceptable but I just sensed something was a little off. It wasn't that he was all over the road it just seemed that every manoeuvre was a touch late - braking later and harder for bends than necessary, despite not being "on it" per sé. We got to a wide bit of road, the ideal spot for an overtake, when suddenly he clipped the grass verge and began snaking wildly before spinning 270 degrees to end up blocking both lanes, facing the kerb our side. If I'd been passing at that moment he would definitely have wiped me out. It transpired that he was absolutely wasted after an afternoon session in the pub.

The signs were subtle but they were there and, as bikers, I don't think we can afford to ignore them. It was the same with that video. The car screamed, "Danger!", but the biker didn't take note.
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[anthony_r6]

I don't think it was entirely the car driver's fault. The bike pulled out and was barely travelling at an overtaking speed when the car came out. The bike looked to be in a blind spot of the car, too.

He was lucky to be able to walk away from that, really.
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[RhynoCZ]

[covent.gardens]

1. He didn't have to.
2. Have you heard of a blindspot check?
3. What if the flashing was misinterpreted to mean "you go first"? That's what flashing most commonly means. And what if he had flashed and it made no difference?

[RhynoCZ]

[covent.gardens]

I felt a "maximum defensive riding, self-preservation is key because we are vulnerable road users" lecture coming on.

I wish you'd kept silent as that's not in dispute; I agree he could have overtaken better. However his overtake was still legal and acceptable.

You said the biker was at fault. Fault is synonymous with liability and blame. He wasn't at fault. There were things he could've done better, but it was the car driver that broke a rule of the road that directly resulted in the accident: a lane change without checking, and a sudden veer. I can see nothing in the biker's overtake that is illegal.

Which insurance company would you expect to pay for the damage?

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[weasley]

Whilst flashing of lights in the UK does often mean "after you sir" (or "fucking fuckwit, what'd you do that for?!"), this clearly isn't the UK, and in many other places a flash before overtaking is quite normal (if not always given). In Foreignland a flash also usually means "coming through, outta my way", which can lead to hilarious consequences when Mr Daley Male of Englandshire takes his Volvo abroad.
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