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PostPosted: 14:05 - 05 May 2014    Post subject: Oil Sump Ball Valve Reply with quote

Just stumbled upon these....

https://www.quickvalve.co.uk/f111n.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDun0fTcT4w

Apparently they have been extensively tested not to seize up or otherwise fail. I like the idea of being able to attach a hose and drain straight into say a 2L coke bottle, nice and discreet.

Also for people who plan on doing 1/2k oil change it saves wear on the sump threads themselves. 20 quid for one of these is pretty cheap compared to the cost of helicoiling or otherwise unfucking stripped sump threads.


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PostPosted: 14:13 - 05 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or do what all modern garages do and buy a vacuum pump and suck the oil out of the sump via the filler or dipstick hole?
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 05 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was thinking mainly for touring purposes, it makes dropping the oil quick and easy to do by the roadside. Of course I could just take a big syringe and length of tubing but not quick as slick.
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PostPosted: 15:22 - 05 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be interested. How large are these though? And do they just work like a tap?
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PostPosted: 15:29 - 05 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Or do what all modern garages do and buy a vacuum pump and suck the oil out of the sump via the filler or dipstick hole?


lolwut? Try that on any jap il4
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PostPosted: 15:31 - 05 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Or do what all modern garages do and buy a vacuum pump and suck the oil out of the sump via the filler or dipstick hole?


That seems like a good way to not remove all the oil and a lot of engines, not easy to get to the base of the sump at all.
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 05 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems like a good way to open these on peoples bikes when parked up, looks like a key could open it quite easy.
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 05 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMMxh02zNFk

Here's a much better vid of it in use.

Seems to have a pretty positive lock, and you can get a specific clip for extra safety for off road vehicles.
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 05 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bubblin77 wrote:
Seems like a good way to open these on peoples bikes when parked up, looks like a key could open it quite easy.


If you are that sort of knob, an adjustable spanner is easy to carry around.

Obviously it is possible for vandals to rinse with, but how many scummers go around checking bikes drain plugs, just on the off-chance than one will have one of these valves fitted? If you are out to cause havoc, you'd take a spanner surely?
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PostPosted: 15:56 - 05 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Artist wrote:
That seems like a good way to not remove all the oil and a lot of engines, not easy to get to the base of the sump at all.


Still... it's the way it's done. In fact I was speaking to someone with a new car a few weeks ago (can't remember which one as I didn't see it) and it didn't even have a sump plug... Syringe only!
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PostPosted: 16:05 - 05 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair play to them, that is an interesting idea.
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PostPosted: 16:08 - 05 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

daemonoid wrote:
The Artist wrote:
That seems like a good way to not remove all the oil and a lot of engines, not easy to get to the base of the sump at all.


Still... it's the way it's done. In fact I was speaking to someone with a new car a few weeks ago (can't remember which one as I didn't see it) and it didn't even have a sump plug... Syringe only!


smart IIRC; also, 5 sided bolts for brake callipers Neutral
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 05 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Artist wrote:
MarJay wrote:
Or do what all modern garages do and buy a vacuum pump and suck the oil out of the sump via the filler or dipstick hole?


That seems like a good way to not remove all the oil and a lot of engines, not easy to get to the base of the sump at all.


It's what they do apparently. They don't like helicoiling sumps apparently. I'd guess that if it was done properly you're actually less likely to leave old oil and swarf lying around in the sump to be honest.
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 05 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think i'll stick to changing my own oil the old fashioned way! I've never had a bike thats had a direct route down into the sump via the dipstick or filler cap and surely if you can't suck from the base of the sump all the crap you're trying to get rid of would still be sitting in the bottom of the sump Confused
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PostPosted: 16:44 - 05 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
I'd guess that if it was done properly you're actually less likely to leave old oil and swarf lying around in the sump to be honest.


I don't see how that would be possible tbh.

If a new car has a specially designed sump with a route for a nozzle to go to the lowest point then maybe they are just cost saving.
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PostPosted: 17:45 - 05 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are some cars that have no sump plug. ( Smart 3 cyl dont off the top of my head )

I have never used one of those syringes to pump oil from the sump of a bike. I dont like the idea as all the debris that the filter doesnt catch will sit in the sump in the small amount of old oil left in there.

If the sump plug strips the threads upon taking it apart, then they were damaged by the last person to do it up too tight.

I like the idea of the ball valve.....but I dont see the need for it.
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PostPosted: 17:47 - 05 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Artist wrote:

If a new car has a specially designed sump with a route for a nozzle to go to the lowest point then maybe they are just cost saving.


I'm not arguing with you, I'm telling you what most car garages do these days.
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PostPosted: 17:50 - 05 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

evoboy wrote:

If the sump plug strips the threads upon taking it apart, then they were damaged by the last person to do it up too tight.


I know scientifically they alloy threads shouldn't be weakened as long as they are never taken above their yield point, but it still feels like the thread will suffer some kind of failing if it cycled often. That said even if you changed the oil every 1000 miles, but 40k that is only 40 loading cycles, which I guess isn't that much by any stretch really.
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PostPosted: 19:00 - 05 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
The Artist wrote:

That seems like a good way to not remove all the oil and a lot of engines, not easy to get to the base of the sump at all.


It's what they do apparently. They don't like helicoiling sumps apparently. I'd guess that if it was done properly you're actually less likely to leave old oil and swarf lying around in the sump to be honest.


It's probably also incorrect to think that the garage gives a toss about how much oil or swarf is left at the bottom, rather than doing it the quickest and easiest way.
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PostPosted: 19:37 - 05 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like it would easily knock of as well
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PostPosted: 21:05 - 05 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting idea but it can't trump my magnetic bolt, which comes out with a nice little pile of filings attached. Plus i think using the full aperture of the drain hole maximises flow rate which in turn is faster and aiding the removal of swarf (like swilling a bucket).
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PostPosted: 22:32 - 05 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never had an issue with using a 17mm spanner yet.
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PostPosted: 23:55 - 05 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Or do what all modern garages do and buy a vacuum pump and suck the oil out of the sump via the filler or dipstick hole?


Huh? Can you show us this method? As it seems like a bit retarded given gravity and a bolt takes like a minute tops. Laughing
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PostPosted: 08:38 - 06 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Huh? Can you show us this method? As it seems like a bit retarded given gravity and a bolt takes like a minute tops. Laughing


Google is your friend....

U-Tube

Until they come across a car that has had the sump borked in the past and they end up footing the bill to fix something that was not their fault.

How many of us have realised that the sump plug is not as it should be and taken it to a garage for a oil change...... Razz
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PostPosted: 09:15 - 06 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

being as the sump is the lowest point on any engine,
smashing the fucker off is going to pretty high,

ive smashed a sump on Edinburghs cobbled streets, and i didnt even have a little thing on it to make it easier to do so,

thats up there with the best of them for things added to a bike that would end in regret
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