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skylineonfire
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PostPosted: 15:41 - 21 Apr 2014    Post subject: Friends bike has died. Any ideas? Reply with quote
My friend was riding in London today and his bike died. It's a Kawasaki ER-6N, 2013. around 12k miles. He text me and he's having it recovered at the moment.

Apparently there was some horrible crunching noise and it just died, wouldn't restart. Oil levels are fine, everything seems normal and was performing absolutely fine until this.

Any ideas?
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 21 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
fubared. sounds like it will be a case of removing the spark plugs and flywheel cover cap and turning it over slowly by hand to see if its siezed.
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skylineonfire
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PostPosted: 15:56 - 21 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
serlant wrote:
fubared. sounds like it will be a case of removing the spark plugs and flywheel cover cap and turning it over slowly by hand to see if its siezed.


What would of caused a pretty new bike to seize if the oil levels were correct, no prior issues at all etc?
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sidewinder
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PostPosted: 16:08 - 21 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Oil pump may of given up
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PostPosted: 16:11 - 21 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Oil pump may of given up
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skylineonfire
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PostPosted: 12:11 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Going round to his in a bit and we're going to open his engine up. It's his idea he wants a look, I'd just stump the money to get it done at a dealership straight away but he wants a look first.

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PostPosted: 12:19 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
skylineonfire wrote:
...just stump the money to get it done at a dealership straight away but he wants a look first.

Any advice?

Cue dealer sucking in his lips over his teeth (always a sign it's going cost mega) and declaring you've made the problem (whatever it is) worse by opening it up first.
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PostPosted: 12:20 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
skylineonfire wrote:
Going round to his in a bit and we're going to open his engine up. It's his idea he wants a look, I'd just stump the money to get it done at a dealership straight away but he wants a look first.

Any advice?


Find out if it has any warranty before you touch it.
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skylineonfire
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PostPosted: 12:28 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
chris-red wrote:
skylineonfire wrote:
Going round to his in a bit and we're going to open his engine up. It's his idea he wants a look, I'd just stump the money to get it done at a dealership straight away but he wants a look first.

Any advice?


Find out if it has any warranty before you touch it.


My first concern too, it wont be touched with warranty at this point, its been crashed numerous times, has been opened and modified etc...
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
skylineonfire wrote:
My first concern too, it wont be touched with warranty at this point, its been crashed numerous times, has been opened and modified etc...


Buys new bike, forgets about warranty by playing with it. Could have bought a 3 year old one for less eh. Oh well Laughing
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skylineonfire
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Paddy. wrote:
skylineonfire wrote:
My first concern too, it wont be touched with warranty at this point, its been crashed numerous times, has been opened and modified etc...


Buys new bike, forgets about warranty by playing with it. Could have bought a 3 year old one for less eh. Oh well Laughing


Oh I know! Madness!
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PostPosted: 14:22 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Re: Friends bike has died. Any ideas? Reply with quote
skylineonfire wrote:
everything seems normal and was performing absolutely fine until this.
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its been crashed numerous times, has been opened and modified etc

Quoted For Hilarity.

Go on, what has he done to it? Very Happy
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Re: Friends bike has died. Any ideas? Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:


Go on, what has he done to it? Very Happy


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PostPosted: 15:39 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Jumping to conclusions here suggesting the engine has seized.

A horrible crunching sound followed by the bike stopping dead could also be a broken chain wrapped round the front sprocket.
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:
Jumping to conclusions here suggesting the engine has seized.

A horrible crunching sound followed by the bike stopping dead could also be a broken chain wrapped round the front sprocket.


But it'd start again if that was the case...
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PostPosted: 16:06 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Boxing wrote:


But it'd start again if that was the case...


Not if it was a) Stuck in gear or b) Took out the neutral switch. or c) Took out other bits of the bike such as the alternator casing.

Starter motor engaging while the engine is running is another possability, clutch letting go, aftermarket ignition advancer coming off. etc. etc.

So. For a first off we'd want to know what "Wouldn't restart" means. Whole bike dead? Any dash lights coming on? Turning but not firing? Spinning the starter but not the engine? Clicking but not turning? Graunching noise when you press the starter?
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skylineonfire
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PostPosted: 18:25 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Re: Friends bike has died. Any ideas? Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
skylineonfire wrote:
everything seems normal and was performing absolutely fine until this.
[...]
its been crashed numerous times, has been opened and modified etc

Quoted For Hilarity.

Go on, what has he done to it? Very Happy


Yeah when I read it back..... Laughing



As for the bike. The lights etc come on, just absolutely nothing on attempting to start it.

Crucially when its in gear, you cant move it back or forward at all, not even with someone pushing while I was sat on it, The wheel was just locked.. Most bikes you can move back and forward albeit very sluggishly while in gear right?

Any ideas? All advice etc absolutely welcome
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PostPosted: 20:05 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Re: Friends bike has died. Any ideas? Reply with quote
skylineonfire wrote:


As for the bike. The lights etc come on, just absolutely nothing on attempting to start it.

Crucially when its in gear, you cant move it back or forward at all, not even with someone pushing while I was sat on it, The wheel was just locked.. Most bikes you can move back and forward albeit very sluggishly while in gear right?

Any ideas? All advice etc absolutely welcome


Probably not if it's in 1st gear. You might be able to do it in 6th.
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PostPosted: 01:57 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:
Jumping to conclusions here suggesting the engine has seized.

A horrible crunching sound followed by the bike stopping dead could also be a broken chain wrapped round the front sprocket.


I suspect either the rider or recovery man might have noticed the chain missing, no?
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PostPosted: 08:39 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
My condolences to his family and friends...
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PostPosted: 09:46 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Has he tried bumping
Has he tried pushing it in gear to see if the engine turns over.

Maybe his battery died and it wasn't charging. Could be that simple. Dunno about the crunch though, may he hit a kitten at the same time.

Diagnostics baby.
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