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sidewinder
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Yamaha mt 125 just been anounnced Reply with quote

Yamaha have just published a new mt 125 looks like a decent little 125 Very Happy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2Dtk-8msxU

Does this men goodbye ybr?
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PostPosted: 12:48 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow - that's some advert for a 125.....

Loving the helmet studs Dance!
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks nice, probably gonna be top end of 3k though.
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't doubt that will be popular, looks really nice.

Possible thread hijack here but why don't we see bike ads on TV (for 125's or for bigger bikes)? Is it becasue of the low consumer base compared to car drivers?

ANyway, if it proves to be reliable and is priced way below the YZFR125 then I'd certianly get it if I was in the market for a 125.

And I assume it will be learner legal in this country?
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

So the MT-125 gets inverted forks but the MT-07 gets those budget looking standards? What?
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PostPosted: 12:57 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

That video left me feeling my lulwuts.
All it tells me is: the headlight is a pointy shaped one and the bikes naked.

I presume it's a liquid cooled 4 stroke? Surely it'll just be the R125 engine slapped in a chopped about MT-03 chassis?

I suppose if its cheaper than a duke 125, it might sell.
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

meh! It's stylised, marketing exercise. So expect to be raped for insurance over, say a more boring looking, easily to fix, parts no problem, commuter 125.

...but I expect the finance deals to get them sold to be impressive.


Now the real question is....counter-steering or not in that video? Wink
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PostPosted: 13:10 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

That actually looks rather decent, surprisingly beefy (might be the lighting though) and finally a new bike that doesn't have a chrome tumour of an exhaust slapped on it's side. On the other hand I spent most of the video marvelling at how huge everyone's helmeted heads looked. The skinny garb doesn't help things.

I've gotta try and recreate that 'MX armour festooned with black cable ties' look sometime Laughing

Yamaha's ads for the new MT bikes have been pretty narm so far, I don't pay them much heed and read the reviews instead. Wonder where it's built.
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been kinda thinking bout getting a cbf125for a while. this makes my decision a lot harder. Fuck.
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

suburban myth wrote:
I've been kinda thinking bout getting a cbf125for a while. this makes my decision a lot harder. Fuck.


Seriously??
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the Mt-125 is exactally what the curent 125 market needs because it looks good for a naked 125 (all the current naked Japenese 125's are ugly), it's not pretending to be something it's not (like the 'supersport' 125's) and if it's anything like its bigger syblings it will be very well priced for what it is.
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Az wrote:
I think the Mt-125 is exactally what the curent 125 market needs because it looks good for a naked 125 (all the current naked Japenese 125's are ugly), it's not pretending to be something it's not (like the 'supersport' 125's) and if it's anything like its bigger syblings it will be very well priced for what it is.


Isn't that what the Duke 125/200 is supposed to be? Laughing I know they've got a bad rep in the UK but in this part of SEAsia it's hard to find a bike that light with WP-in-name-only forks and Brembo-byproduct brakes and other fancy fittings all for loads less than a Ninja 250. Closest alternative are overweight and ugly Chinese 250s.
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PostPosted: 13:32 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The MT-125 uses the engine and steel Deltabox frame from the R125 sports bike but with a revised steering head angle, upright riding position and styling in the vein of the bigger MT-07 and MT-09.

It means 15hp from the 124.7cc single.

It's got a new tank, seat and footrests, moving the rider 42mm forward, while the seat height has been lowered by 5mm to 820mm.

The steering head angle has been changed to 33.5 degrees for 'high agility', while the R125's low bars have been replaced with a wide tapered one on large aluminium clamps. The bars are 100mm higher and 35mm farther back than the R125's, for a 'low stress riding position'.

It's got 41mm upside-down forks and a rear monoshock with preload adjustment.

Braking is courtesy of a 292mm single floating front disc with radially mounted caliper, and a 230mm rear disc.

It's got new wheels with six thin Y-shaped spokes, running a 130-70-17 rear tyre and 100/80-17 front.

Weight is 126kg dry and 138kg wet.

Yamaha says the LCD instrument panel is inspired 'smart phone aesthetics' with bar-style displays. It includes a shift light, while an 'animated display' greets the rider when the key is turned.

An LED rear light and upswept tail unit help give the machine 'streetfighter looks' according to Yamaha.

It also has a compact number plate holder and redesigned silencer offering 'plenty of cornering clearance' and a 'throaty exhaust note', the firm says.

The MT-125 comes in red, grey or blue and will be available from July 2014
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PostPosted: 13:37 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

skylineonfire wrote:
So the MT-125 gets inverted forks but the MT-07 gets those budget looking standards? What?


MT07 is boring, not saying the 125 isn't but I'm sure people will (at some point, please) see that the MT07 is just fucking dull, the MT09 is far better. Still cannot fathom why people are buying it. Laughing If you want a parallel twin that isn't particularly fast with average everything, ER6.
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

deadwolf wrote:
Az wrote:
I think the Mt-125 is exactally what the curent 125 market needs because it looks good for a naked 125 (all the current naked Japenese 125's are ugly), it's not pretending to be something it's not (like the 'supersport' 125's) and if it's anything like its bigger syblings it will be very well priced for what it is.


Isn't that what the Duke 125/200 is supposed to be?


But the Duke hasn't got the best reputation for reliability (Example)and its priced highly at 4k.

I'm also going to assume it will be more reliable with similar spec's to the Duke if it uses the YZF125R engine and a decent suspension set-up at a cheaper price. Assuming that the MT-125 follows in the footsteps of the MT-07 and MT-09 who have undercut there competitors with an equally good product at a lower price.
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PostPosted: 13:49 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:

MT07 is boring, not saying the 125 isn't but I'm sure people will (at some point, please) see that the MT07 is just fucking dull, the MT09 is far better. Still cannot fathom why people are buying it. Laughing If you want a parallel twin that isn't particularly fast with average everything, ER6.


There's near £2k difference in the asking price between the 07 and 09 for starters.

Compared to the ER-6 I'd have the 07. More power, more torque, lighter, cheaper.
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry Paddy. But the MT07 looks better than the 9, has nicer design features, and is lighter. I don't give many fucks if it's an IL2 instead of an IL3 or 4 motor, it makes over 75bhp from a useable 700cc motor and it's a pure naked bike with no real concessions to comfort at high speed etc.

They are both great bikes compared to crap like the Z1000 etc, but they need to be better finished as I believe their keen pricing is facilitated by only just about acceptable build quality as is most middleweight new bikes.

The 125MT, does look quite aggressive and shares the MT DNA with the rest of the range, but it needs to be more reliable and better built than the KTM Duke and cost not much over £3000 to be a sales success IMO. I've seen new WR125X's in dealers for over £4200, and I can never get my head around how will anyone pay that for a new 125cc bike? I could have had my KMX and a mint TDR125 for less than £4k, so I'm very confused! Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

From MCN
"Technical highlights
• Developed on the same platform as the 2014 specification YZF- R125
• Newly designed shorter tank, lower seat and minimalist bodywork for a more “urban” riding position
• Wide handlebars and revised steering angle for high agility in traffic
• Supersport-style 41mm diameter inverted fork
• Linked monoshock rear suspension with spring preload adjustment
• Single 292mm diameter floating front disc brake with radial caliper
• New racing style thin-spoke wheels
• 125cc single cylinder liquid-cooled 4-stroke SOHC 4-valves
• Steel Deltabox frame for strength and light weight
• Dry weight 126kg / Wet weight 138kg"

Hmm could be interesting for a fancy looking commuter bike.
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PostPosted: 14:04 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
suburban myth wrote:
I've been kinda thinking bout getting a cbf125for a while. this makes my decision a lot harder. Fuck.


Seriously??


A guy at work has had his from new (just about due 1st MOT), garaged, cakes it in ACF every week, not a mark on it and is thinking about selling it soon. When people say you could eat your dinner off it etc etc this is the perfect example.

I'd be hard pushed to buy one without knowing the history though.
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PostPosted: 14:10 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

sidewinder wrote:
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Lots of informative stuff


I Knew it, an R125 with no fairing and some other bits chopped about.
Although, as others have said, it could be what people want from a 125, a commuter with a few more horses and beefyer looks. But.....

Paddy wrote:

probably gonna be top end of 3k though.


If they foolishly try and charge nearly the same or possibly even more than for a new R125, which wouldn't suprise me, it might not do so well. Brick Wall

Needs a price tag of £3200 or less IMO.
I still expect to see plenty of YBR's about for a few years yet.
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If they foolishly try and charge nearly the same or possibly even more than for a new R125, which wouldn't suprise me, it might not do so well. Brick Wall


Can't see that being the case. The MT-07 is 'only' £5k ish so to charge close to £4k for a 'similar' bike (their design style blah blah ball-bags) with only a 125 engine in it would be a big ask.

That said, stranger things have happened.
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not normally a fan of naked bikes, but I really like the look of that. Maybe a future commuter...
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PostPosted: 15:33 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd have one if I had the money, looks like a solid commuter (and I'm only doing my A1 licence). Although it remains to be seen how the build quality is - if it's YBR quality then as long as it's ACF'ed and the like then it'll last forever. If it's CBF quality then... it'll melt before you get it home Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
MT07 is just fucking dull, the MT09 is far better. Still cannot fathom why people are buying it. Laughing If you want a parallel twin that isn't particularly fast with average everything, ER6.


Have you ridden one? I've ridden the 07 and 09. The MT-09 didn't appeal to me. I don't really see why anyone would buy one instead of a Street Triple. The Triumph costs about the same and offers similar power but better suspension and handing. And probably less depreciation.

But I'm sorely tempted to buy an MT-07 as a second bike. Mainly because it's £5199 brand new. But also because 74bhp feels plenty, especially when it's so light (and it feels damn light). Yes, the suspension is basic and bouncy (so is the MT-09) but it still handles well enough. The 180 back wheel definitely helps. No fly by wire, no mandatory ABS, no complex electronics. Back to basics and all the better for it. Time will tell, but it also appears to be well built and finished. It may seem dull on paper, but that wasn't my experience at all.

As a value proposition, the MT-07 is the by far best bike Yamaha make IMO. Practical, affordable but also good looking and an awful lot of fun.
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