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RhynoCZ
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PostPosted: 12:21 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Have I gone mental? - Old motorcycles Reply with quote

Hello, you know I like CZ motorcycles, hence my username, but I never made my self to buy one. Today, I found a nice exemplar of a '49 CZ125t after recent renovation that's worth about the same as my ZXR. The CZ has MOT and is fully road legal. Is such a motorcycle still useable in modern traffic? I've never had a motorcycle this old before. I do not commute on motorcycle so the motorcycle doesn't have to be really everyday use friendly.
My question for you is: would you swap a ''proper, modern'' superbike for your dream bike, even if it meant you'd get disappointed/bored of it in a while? When does a motorcycle get too old for road use?

Specs - cz 125t (1948-1949) - dry weight 76kg, does 60 miles per 2.5L (94.09 MPG(US)) of petrol and has aircooled single cylinder engine doing about 4.2hp @ 4200rpm combined with three speed gearbox doing about 80kph/50mph. Also 6v electrics and 12L tank.

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PostPosted: 12:54 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Re: Have I gone mental? - Old motorcycles Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
My question for you is: would you swap a ''proper, modern'' superbike for your dream bike, even if it meant you'd get disappointed/bored of it in a while? When does a motorcycle get too old for road use?


I've never had a "proper, modern superbike", nearest I guess was the GPZ. That said, when I had my AJS I rode that more than the other bikes at the time, and in later years had the Enfield as my daily rider. I'll happily have an old bike again - it becomes "too old" when you spend more time repairing it than riding it, but that could be 2 years if you have a chinkee 125 Smile

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PostPosted: 14:22 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those figures are similar to a 1970's sports moped, so expect similar performance.

If you want to just potter about it will be fine. If you want go on a decent run then you will have to take your time. I ride a classic bike but with 60bhp. Much more useable!
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PostPosted: 14:34 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

That would be an ideal machine if you wanted to organise a Distinguished Gentleman's Ride Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 15:15 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ride it. It's what they're for.

A friend of mine used to commute around Edinburghon a pre-war BSA flat-tanker with an exposed flywheel, hand gearshift and rim brakes.

I used to run around town on a 1968 Honda PC50 which was a pedal and go moped. Not a single fuck given.
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PostPosted: 15:27 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah go for it, i used to go every where on my little b120 and a100 bikes they could only do 80kmh tops, but were more than enough in traffic, on the open road they are a bit sluggish, but you just stick to "b" roads and thats fine
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PostPosted: 16:31 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Re: Have I gone mental? - Old motorcycles Reply with quote

Pukka.

Very together-looking . . .

Built before the time when 'top brass at CZ discovered that Sellotape was a damn sight cheaper than producing stuff that actually held its own.

And, for all its capital lack of oomph, has still managed to overtake a communist takeover! Happy days.

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RhynoCZ wrote:

My question for you is: would you swap a ''proper, modern'' superbike for your dream bike, even if it meant you'd get disappointed/bored of it in a while?



Yes, I would happily swap my 'proper', modern superbike for a
https://www.midamericaauctions.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/brough-superior-ss100-1-31158.jpg
which I would very happily sell, from whose proceeds I'd more than happily buy back my proper, modern, super bike and any small fortune remaining straight into* a high interest savings account, by which interest my proper, modern, super bike would maintain its OTR integrity.

*But not before buying and upon a pedestal putting probably THE Greatest motorcycle ever produced, the legend that is the CX500B.
Or my name's not Ivor Screwloose.
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the idea of having 40's bike but going back from 120+hp/280kph to 4.2hp/80kph for the same money just feels odd. Thinking

If it had more power I wouldn't have hesitated. I talked to my mate about it and he said the '49 CZ would be way worse than the MZ 150ETZ he lends me every now and then.
The bikes you've posted lads are way faster than the '49 CZ. I know top speed is not everything, but not even doing the speed limit is a bit discouraging.
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PostPosted: 19:23 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

tony_d123 wrote:
Those figures are similar to a 1970's sports moped, so expect similar performance.

If you want to just potter about it will be fine. If you want go on a decent run then you will have to take your time. I ride a classic bike but with 60bhp. Much more useable!


What motorcycle do you ride? I mean the one doing 60bhp.
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

So its a bike with bugger-all power and the worst electrics known to man ?.....

.... but I bet you its probably the best looking bike anyone here posts a picture of for a long long time, its great...

Tell me how you get on with it... I've always fancied something like this at some point.....
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
What motorcycle do you ride? I mean the one doing 60bhp.


Kawasaki 500 triple.
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PostPosted: 23:20 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:

The bikes you've posted lads are way faster than the '49 CZ. I know top speed is not everything, but not even doing the speed limit is a bit discouraging.


If my PC50 was making over 1.5bhp, I'd be surprised.

My first bike was a Motobeno (read Minsk) 125. I would have another at the drop of a hat.

To quote Keats "A thing of beauty is a joy forever.". That bike is most definately a thing of beauty. Therefore it will bring you joy.
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 09 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used a 1930 bike as everyday transport for about five years in a busy city.
Hand change two up through city centre rush hour traffic, no problem.
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PostPosted: 22:32 - 09 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is that a horn or a blunderbus on the headlight Mr Badger?
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PostPosted: 23:28 - 09 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wotcha.

I use a BSA Bantam on a regular basis - even venturing as far as London and back . . . .so I see no problem with using a bike which is more or less the same as an early D1 Bantam.
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PostPosted: 10:36 - 10 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Is that a horn or a blunderbus on the headlight Mr Badger?

It is a Twin Tone Klaxonette, very loud!
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 10 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 15:23 - 10 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always preferred the older cars/bikes to modern ones. Modern stuff all looks samey. If I could ever afford it, I'd lover to own a Rover 90. Beautiful. For what it's worth, I think the bike looks amazing, although the seat looks like it could be uncomfortable.
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PostPosted: 20:32 - 10 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

DieselASFC wrote:
although the seat looks like it could be uncomfortable.


Be a hell of a lot more uncomfortable without it. It's got no rear suspension.
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PostPosted: 10:49 - 11 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
DieselASFC wrote:
although the seat looks like it could be uncomfortable.


Be a hell of a lot more uncomfortable without it. It's got no rear suspension.


The early 50's CZ 150c had rear suspension.
https://automoto-a9.wz.cz/old/images/cz150/cz150_2.jpg

I've decided to keep the ZXR though, I'm gonna get a job during the summer break and earn money for that 125t. The 150c has a bit more power/torque and can do 6000rpm, so the bike does 85kph which is not much considering the mpg is worse and the rest of it is the same. Well, the 150c has rear suspension, but it won't be any good I guess, it's 50's technology after all + more moving parts it has more things can go wrong, so the 125t it is. If I'm gonna be able to get some money earlier, I'll buy it right away.

SIDE STORY: I sold the NC27 in order to get money for another bike, well the bike sold just the moment I sold the NC27 and I had nothing to ride for the whole season. Since then, I shall never sell my only bike before I've got another one. I wouldn't buy just anything to have a ride, I'm too old fashioned about that + I'm buying bikes that I've got on my to buy list. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 11 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

You ever see MZ BK350s over there?

That would be very near the top of my most-wanted, communist-era 2-stroke motorcycles list.
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 11 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never seen one before. All you can get from MZ here is 125/150/251/301 (ETZ) and sometimes MZ ES 125/150/250 (Trophy).
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PostPosted: 19:44 - 11 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting, the lad who's selling the 125t just changed pictures and dropped 400 pounds. Also changed it to 1947. Confused
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